Paypal founder funds artificial Libertarian island.

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  1. likemyorbs macrumors 68000

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    Ten bucks says at least one of these islands devolves into a Waterworld-esque nightmare within a decade.
     
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    20 bucks says at least one of these islands will be hijacked by pirates, and the first place the islanders will call for help will be Washington.
     
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    Pretty much. :D It'd be even more evidence of their hypocrisy - perhaps it'd be enough to convince people soon.
     
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    I'm behind any initiative to keep the world's Libertarians on small islands.
     
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    Lord of the flies.

    I am not sure I'd want to live in a petri dish (even a metaphorical one).
     
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    "The idea is for these countries to start from scratch--free from the laws, regulations, and moral codes of any existing place."

    I'd like to see if something goes wrong, will they seek help from other countries...
     
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    ^^ A gigantic wave, or a ship with what looks like a gun attached? :D
     
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    :)
    A rogue wave…
     
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    Excellent. They're going to empirically prove no man is an island.

    That, or it's a tax dodge.
     
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    Then they'll declare war on the U.S., like Grand Fenwick. :D
     
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    I think this guy must have been reading Ayn Rand like the other crazies(yes, she's an objectivist but close enough). Building a libertarian dream society in the ocean sounds vaguely familiar to the plot of "BioShock"

    Whatever, I'm all for it. The world needs a model of how a pure libertarian society will end in abject failure.
     
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    I do think there is a problem with freedom and democracy if there's no legitimate option to opt out (that is, one's options to go somewhere and start one's own country are scant, so one can only move to another country one perceives to be freer than the one lived in now). I'm not sure I want to live on an oil rig, on the other hand. Galt's Gulch at least had a degree of geological stability....
     
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    loose building codes? I'd think that on a floating man-made island one thing you'd definitely want is building codes.
     
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    We do. It's called Somalia. Look at how wonderful small government has worked out over there.

    But that would be socialist and communist. And fascist, Marxist, and every other ist besides capitalist.
     
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    Because a small country in Africa ravaged by drought, famine, tribal warfare, and pirates is just what libertarians dream of. lol


    Otherwise, the idea of building an island isn't "stupid" as the op suggested, just far fetched.
     
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    they want to spend their own money on setting up these libertarian "communes", it's fine with me
     
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    Well it's got no government, and what do you think that leads too? The famine and drought are affecting other countries with governments in the area, but not as bad most likely because they actually have governments to deal with things. It may not be what libertarians dream of, but it's what happens when you put their ideas to practice in the real world.
     
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    Link

    Can't wait to see the outcome. Are they going to spread their wealth around the sea community or are they going to hog it all for themselves? And lax building codes for structures on water. What could possibly go wrong.

    I think they've played too much Bioshock.

    Wait, why do these uber wealthy smucks want recognition from the United Nations? Isn't that so un-libertarian of them to want help and recognition from a socialist program that is the UN.
     
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    My guess is that the ones who funded the creation of the island will want a large return on their investment and try to collect it from everyone who sets up shop on the island. Those who have businesses there will want to keep the money for themselves, that's why they set up shop there, and since there are no laws to settle their differences they'll pull out their guns and decide how the wealth will be distributed.
     
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    Didn't some other loony billionaire already try this? Somebody named Blofeld?

    [​IMG]
     
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    The shape of cities to come?

    The concept sounded really cool in the '60s... but practically everything in the future sounded really cool then.

    Triton City

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    Buckminster Fuller was a brilliant visionary, scientist, environmentalist, and philosopher who, in the 1960s, developed a bold design. It was dubbed Triton City and was intended to be a floating utopia for up to 5,000 residents. His giant, floating city was designed to encourage people to share resources and conserve energy.

    Fuller was initially commissioned by a wealthy Japanese patron to design a floating city for Tokyo Bay. He died in 1966, but astoundingly enough, the United States Department of Urban Development commissioned Fuller for further design and analysis. His designs called for the city to: be resistant to tsunamis, provide the most possible outside living, desalinate the very water that it would float in for consumption, give privacy to each residence, and incorporate a tetrahedronal shape which provides the most surface area with the least amount of volume. Everything from education to entertainment to recreation would be a part of the city. Fuller also claimed that the low operating costs would result in a high standard of living.

    HUD eventually sent the plans to the U.S. Navy where they were dissected and analyzed even further. The city of Baltimore, upon hearing of the project, became interested and petitioned to have Triton City moored off of its shores in Chesapeake Bay. However, as municipal and federal administrations changed, the project languished and was never brought to light. Today, there are derivatives of Triton City, such as the artificial island Kansai and its airport in Osaka, Japan, but they pale in comparison to the scope of Triton City.

    (From: Top 10 Amazing Cities You'll Never Visit


    Now, in the early-21st century, the concept is being considered as a way to deal with rising seas spurred by climate change...

    This computer-generated image shows two floating cities, each with enough room for 50,000 inhabitants.

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    Based on the design of a lilypad, they could be used as a permanent refuge for those whose homes have been covered in water. Major cities including London, New York and Tokyo are seen as being at huge risk from oceans which could rise by as much as 3ft by the end of this century.

    This solution, by the award-winning Belgian architect Vincent Callebaut, is designed to be a new place to live for those whose homelands have been wiped out.

    From: The floating cities that could one day house climate change refugees
     
  25. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus

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    Triton city reminds me of a big version of that Shanghai Dynasty game that's played with Mahjong tiles.

    I suppose that any Libertarians building island cities will also have to be on perennial lookout for some doomsday scenario like this one.

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