mac and pc, who is better, well, mac of course, but, let's not get too cocky. people have been going back and forth with frame rates and speeds, but never do they match up the right computers, when will people realize that you can't test a P3 pc, vs a dual g4 800. of course the mac will win, but it doesn't mean jack cause you tested it against an yesturday's box. want to do a real test, here's today's top machines. a dual 2ghz P4 with pc2400 DDR ram by samsung, (266mhz bus on it) with a geforce 3, now, this machine costs less than the dual g4 800, so it's a fair in price fight, or, a dual athlon, 1.2ghz mp processors, ddr ram, pc2100, all it takes, and a geforce 3, this machien costs less than $1000 to build, easily fare, you could for price add in a 15,000 rpm hard drive, but, then it makes it unfair cause the standard dual doesn't have one. so, both ata 100, both geforce 3, dual athlon, dual p4 and dual g4, who would win? here's the kicker guys, mac gets crushed, don't believe me? run the tests, yes in a few applications which are the only ones that ever get posted, the mac can hold it's own, but the mac has so much farther to go, the dual athlon destroyed the mac in 3d applications and every game frame rate. it was no test, it was a crushing defeat. now, the p4 also beat the mac, lost on gamin to the athlon, not the mac though but did win on 3d apps such as maya, 3d studio max, and lightwave. you can't do tests without being fair. so stop posting stats that aren't true. want specific tests done, just ask. want pictures of proof, no problem. again, i like my macs better, but if you know how to build a pc correctly, and you run tests without biased opinions, raw speed is in the pcs, better os and less bugs and a happy person is in the mac, plain and simple.