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Phil Schiller Claims Customers Aren't Asking for Built-In Blu-Ray Anymore
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I don't use Cd/Dvd drives anymore... As all my/our content is streamed in or place, so we all watch same movies if we like them..
The only time i need optical discs, is the odd times my parents want me to copy movies for them...
I stll can't understand why, all she has to do is check in iTunes befiore she runs down to the DVD store.
Heck, we don't even use Blue-ray set top box anymore, since limited titles in Blu ray movies.
This will be the key.... Unless you suddenly have the idea of burning all your Data onto one single Blue ray for convenience, that is.
The only time i need optical discs, is the odd times my parents want me to copy movies for them...
I stll can't understand why, all she has to do is check in iTunes befiore she runs down to the DVD store.
Heck, we don't even use Blue-ray set top box anymore, since limited titles in Blu ray movies.
This will be the key.... Unless you suddenly have the idea of burning all your Data onto one single Blue ray for convenience, that is.
Digital can win once 1080P downloads under ten dollars for new content and two dollar rentals, see what the future holds.
Up until just the last month I had over fifty blu-rays, now I have two so that mostly just leaves rentals which can likely be dvd because the screen is so small even though it is 1600x900, close. And blu-rays can look amazing, however my mind set is different, for the most part I just want to see the film SD or HD.
I had a 1080P 42" televsion and blu-ray looked amazing, ever sense the change I am wonder how important these things may be, I like having it there, later on I may care even less.
Great on 42", hi def still yet 17" is a small area and the impact is a bit lost. I am thinking I just need to watch it, not even sure if I would bother renting the blu-ray at red box now, it still will look nice. And blu-ray computer software is horrible, Power DVD, ugh! Have to use Anydvd just to watch movies I own.
Not me!
Blu Ray offers more than its downloadable counterpart from Netflix. Its image quality is much better and has all the extra features. That to me is worth it. As far as inconvenience, that's also debatable.
Blu Ray offers more than its downloadable counterpart from Netflix. Its image quality is much better and has all the extra features. That to me is worth it. As far as inconvenience, that's also debatable.
I think the only way to really enjoy BluRay is with a home theater system with a decent quality player, audio and video system good enough to display and hear the quality of BluRay. Computers are generally more of a device for casual movie watching, not serious movie watching. The only legitimate need for BluRay for a computer user is maybe authoring BluRay discs, but those people need the more expensive transports which only the high end professional market really uses.
Try getting your film into a corporate IT ghetto by streaming! A disturbing amount of them still need a DVD (Blu-ray is still about 10 years into the future) sent by courier thanks to the IT zealots who seem to believe (probably rightly) that the free flow of information is a threat to their very existence.
Who-Ray?
It sucks for those that do watch blu-rays, but Apple is a company that is about making (mostly) a single product, at each form factor - tablet, phone, desktop - for a certain huge market. They are going to ignore people who fall outside of their typical use case customer. Apple's devices are not about niches. iTunes is plenty good enough for most people and Apple makes profit off it, so if they can nudge you that way they will. MP3s are also good enough for most people. I think it's the right bet for them to make - again, knowing there are sections of the population that aren't going to like it.
People have to understand that form factor is a feature. Apple isn't simply leaving off blu-ray. They are leaving off blu-ray, eliminating the optical drive and making their products thinner. They have probably done the math. A thinner device might boost a device's sales by a factor of 2 where a thicker blu-ray equipped device might not increase sales by much at all. If Apple left the iMac at it's previous thickness and added blu-ray, people would say "big deal... PCs have had this for years. Guess Apple finally realized they were wrong". But showing a wiz-bang thin iMac really got people talking.
It sucks for those that do watch blu-rays, but Apple is a company that is about making (mostly) a single product, at each form factor - tablet, phone, desktop - for a certain huge market. They are going to ignore people who fall outside of their typical use case customer. Apple's devices are not about niches. iTunes is plenty good enough for most people and Apple makes profit off it, so if they can nudge you that way they will. MP3s are also good enough for most people. I think it's the right bet for them to make - again, knowing there are sections of the population that aren't going to like it.
People have to understand that form factor is a feature. Apple isn't simply leaving off blu-ray. They are leaving off blu-ray, eliminating the optical drive and making their products thinner. They have probably done the math. A thinner device might boost a device's sales by a factor of 2 where a thicker blu-ray equipped device might not increase sales by much at all. If Apple left the iMac at it's previous thickness and added blu-ray, people would say "big deal... PCs have had this for years. Guess Apple finally realized they were wrong". But showing a wiz-bang thin iMac really got people talking.
Then you must not have data thats worth money.
Blu Ray blows away streaming.
Blu Ray is digital, its not analog.
And 1080P off iTunes looks like ass compared to Blu Ray.
Yep, a whole 1/4th of a pound totally matters.
OMFG, 1/4th of a LB! Wussies.\
Apple loves to CLAIM they are after the BEST user experience. Well, Blu Ray is the BEST video format out right now, and they refuse to support it.
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Disappointed by this but not overly surprised.
The biggest issue I have is that it takes over a day for me to download a HD movie on our Internet connection.
So until a time comes when I have a super fast broadband connection available (Not any time in the next 2 years) it'll be Blu-ray Discs for us.
The biggest issue I have is that it takes over a day for me to download a HD movie on our Internet connection.
So until a time comes when I have a super fast broadband connection available (Not any time in the next 2 years) it'll be Blu-ray Discs for us.
Total BS
That's total BS. First of all, people ARE asking. I work in the creative field and me and A LOT of other people that I know in this field are asking. Try telling your wedding video client that you can't give them a Blu Ray because Apple didn't put the drive in your computer and instead you're gonna upload the multi gig file to the damn cloud (with no motion menus or chapters or anything else that everyone WANTS and hope that they can pull it down). Or tell them that you'll put it on a flash drive but ask them nicely not to lose it. Yeah, you'll be out of business in 8 seconds.
What apple really wants is everyone to buy from the itunes store, but obviously they're not gonna come out and say that. They can't say it's ALL about the dollar. It's not good publicity I'm guessing...duh. So they figure if they don't put Blu ray in and just flat out start killing all the optical drives they'll drive at least a small percentage to the iTunes store. Why anyone would watch a movie on their computer anyway is beyond my comprehension, (unless they were traveling.) And if you want it on the TV in your living room you gotta spend for the Apple TV or start running cables to your TV. Great, just what people want to do on a Friday night. And for most people above 50 years old...Apple may as well send a genius bar guy to set it all up (be sure to make your appointment online though or they won't talk to you).
Bottom line, I shoot a lot of various types of projects for a living and I need to be able to deliver some of them, not all but some...on Blu ray. And that's the case across the board with creative professionals. What sucks for Apple is that we're still gonna get the Blu ray drives, but that money won't be going to them. Wait...I just got word that the PC's have Blu ray! And they have current spec workstations too? Wow! And they don't lock you out and discontinue and make you have to keep re-buying constantly?!?! Inconceivable!
That's total BS. First of all, people ARE asking. I work in the creative field and me and A LOT of other people that I know in this field are asking. Try telling your wedding video client that you can't give them a Blu Ray because Apple didn't put the drive in your computer and instead you're gonna upload the multi gig file to the damn cloud (with no motion menus or chapters or anything else that everyone WANTS and hope that they can pull it down). Or tell them that you'll put it on a flash drive but ask them nicely not to lose it. Yeah, you'll be out of business in 8 seconds.
What apple really wants is everyone to buy from the itunes store, but obviously they're not gonna come out and say that. They can't say it's ALL about the dollar. It's not good publicity I'm guessing...duh. So they figure if they don't put Blu ray in and just flat out start killing all the optical drives they'll drive at least a small percentage to the iTunes store. Why anyone would watch a movie on their computer anyway is beyond my comprehension, (unless they were traveling.) And if you want it on the TV in your living room you gotta spend for the Apple TV or start running cables to your TV. Great, just what people want to do on a Friday night. And for most people above 50 years old...Apple may as well send a genius bar guy to set it all up (be sure to make your appointment online though or they won't talk to you).
Bottom line, I shoot a lot of various types of projects for a living and I need to be able to deliver some of them, not all but some...on Blu ray. And that's the case across the board with creative professionals. What sucks for Apple is that we're still gonna get the Blu ray drives, but that money won't be going to them. Wait...I just got word that the PC's have Blu ray! And they have current spec workstations too? Wow! And they don't lock you out and discontinue and make you have to keep re-buying constantly?!?! Inconceivable!
Only system to play it on, aside from new release rentals there is not as much movie viewing going on of late, mostly just current tv shows. It may be odd not having a full size television. (I do miss it a bit)
It gets goofy when people are worried about half an inch on a desktop. On a random note, when did the population get so weak? I understand liking thin small devices. Somehow five pounds has become heavy.
I wish companies were more forward with their reasons, we all know why yet they act like we do not know or they will not let on they know we known they know the true reasons. As it stands it feels like they are just lying, playing games and or leaving out information, and this can go for a lot of companies.
I've yet to hear anyone ask for a thinner or lighter iMac either...
Three posters who absolutely hit the nail on the head! I know how razor-sharp and fantastic Blu-ray can look, even on a non-Retina iMac. But I'm afraid this is going to fall on deaf ears. Real shame!
I would like to archive all my files with either a cd/dvd drive or a bluray burner, but Apple is telling me thats the way of the past. Lets see how much a typical cloud storage service would run me....
Lets say I have 1 Terabyte of family photos, quicktimes and photoshop files from my work, and other assorted files that need to be archived and stored safely somewhere. I have at least that, actually. Sorry folks, 5 gigs is the cheap rate that everyone likes to quote, but most professionals aren't anywhere even close to that.
For example, Amazon S3 cloud storage- for the first terabyte of standard storage, first 1 TB / month is priced at $0.125 per GB
12 and a half cents per month, per gigabyte. Boy that sure sounds cheap. Well, lets see, that works out to be $125.00 per month for 1 TB. Thats $1500.00 per year. $15,000 per ten years.
I hope I'm doing the math wrong here, because this is incredibly expensive.
Wow what a bargain.
Lets say I have 1 Terabyte of family photos, quicktimes and photoshop files from my work, and other assorted files that need to be archived and stored safely somewhere. I have at least that, actually. Sorry folks, 5 gigs is the cheap rate that everyone likes to quote, but most professionals aren't anywhere even close to that.
For example, Amazon S3 cloud storage- for the first terabyte of standard storage, first 1 TB / month is priced at $0.125 per GB
12 and a half cents per month, per gigabyte. Boy that sure sounds cheap. Well, lets see, that works out to be $125.00 per month for 1 TB. Thats $1500.00 per year. $15,000 per ten years.
I hope I'm doing the math wrong here, because this is incredibly expensive.
Wow what a bargain.
Not only does your math appear to be correct, and it IS insanely expensive, but personally I don't trust cloud based storage for archival purposes. It's great for secondary back-up, and easy access to files from anywhere, but with today's low prices of 2-3 Tb HDD's, I would rather have my primary back-ups at two separate locations locally. A bit more bother, but for archival storage imho, the only way to go.
What he is saying is that, if you buy a bluray. It'll come with a resolution of 1080p. But if 4k starts coming out. Your bluray will stay the same. Unless you buy another disk with 4k res. but the same movie on iTunes could be scaled up from 1080p to 4k(yes I know it'll be forever before we will have that bandwidth). But that's what I think he was saying.
Apple. Where function follows form.
There will be a point when it cannot get any thinner, that time will come because devices will either be uncomfortable to hold (almost getting there now) and there will be no point. Lighter, yes, you can never go wrong there. 5MM is not likely to ever be too thick.
Wow. That is expensive. Especially considering how cheap you can just buy an external hdd these days. Curiously why would you choose a scratchable disc over a hdd?
I'm glad they made the iMac thinner and lighter because it'll make carrying that desktop computer around the house that much easier.
Because HDD's are mechanical devices that are prone to failure and bluray discs have a much longer lifespan than dvds.
Bought an iMac in 2007, used the ODD to reinstall OS X once. Bought an iMac in 2011 haven't used it at all. As far as i'm concerned it's a step forward.
Yes, I have a mac mini with an external blu-ray drive (burner). I like it just fine. Everybody can have one too if they want it. I also have a MacPro with an internal Blu-Ray drive and burner. What is everybody arguing about?
A lot of us would like to see Blu-ray drives in our desktop iMacs, but with this recent drive towards ultra-thin 'everythings', it's not likely to happen.
For anyone interested in watching Blu-rays on their Macs, notebooks or desktops, check out this website: http://www.macblurayplayer.com/