Philippines’ Duterte dares CIA to ‘oust’ him

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I admit he does sound trumpish, but he was elected overwhelmingly, to do what he is doing now. Should the United States try to overthrow him, because we don't like his version of the war on drugs?
 

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Should the United States try to overthrow him, because we don't like his version of the war on drugs?
Some things are differences in kind. Some things are differences in degree. For me, extra judicial killings, aka "death squads", cross that line.

The civilized demand proof.
 

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Some things are differences in kind. Some things are differences in degree. For me, extra judicial killings, aka "death squads", cross that line.

The civilized demand proof.
Why should the whole world live by our standards? Let them govern themselves, whether we agree with it or not.
 

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Or rather, "let the elites of each society govern their territories as they see fit, and let the peons remain silent".
 
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Some things are differences in kind. Some things are differences in degree. For me, extra judicial killings, aka "death squads", cross that line.

The civilized demand proof.
I see Irony.

In America the truth is being murdered hourly, yet most don't care.
 

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I see Irony.

In America the truth is being murdered hourly, yet most don't care.
Don't let metaphors cloud your judgement. Ask yourself whether you would murder a real human individual in order to prevent the "murder" of an abstract concept.
 

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He's an ugly little f**ker with a big mouth. Reminds me of Noriega. Best to ignore him unless he gets physical.
This may be one of the few times I'll ever agree with you on anything. The man is a nut case and doesn't know when to shut up. I'm confident the Filipino people, in their majority, do not stand by this menace to modern civilization. He recently stated he idolized Adolf Hitler and he's doing what he did to the Jews and other minorities during the Holocaust. He must have missed the notice that good old Adolf was a drug addict himself as most of the commanding portion of the Third Reich were.
 

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Fixed that for you - but I agree. If Filipino people want the US out, then we have to leave.
What does getting out refer to? The occupation ended decades ago. I presume there are some US bases but that makes sense since the US has a mutual defence obligation to the Philippines.
 
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What does getting out refer to? The occupation ended decades ago. I presume there are some US bases but that makes sense since the US has a mutual defence obligation to the Philippines.
I think that the bases might be the issue, and it is not out of the realm of possibility that the mutual defence treated will be renounced by Duterte (he is, after all, a populist idiot who would rather cosy up to PRC and Russia, apparently). As much as we might disagree about this, if it s does happen we must withdraw rather than foisting troops on the Filipinos if they don't want them. Mind you Duterte should not be worried about the CIA - he should be worried about his own military, who are no doubt alarmed at the current direction of things....
 

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What does getting out refer to? The occupation ended decades ago. I presume there are some US bases but that makes sense since the US has a mutual defence obligation to the Philippines.
There are no longer any US bases in the Philippines. They asked us to leave years ago, and we did. This started the economic downfall of the Philippines as it took over $1B a year out of the economy.

Duterte is an egomaniacal socialist who wants to cut ties with the US, will give up disputed islands in the South China Sea to China in an attempt to pacify them, and who is attempting to make peace with the southern Muslim extremists. He may in fact create an Islamic state in the south in an attempt to make peace. He blames the US for the Muslim uprising, citing military action from more than 100 years ago as the root cause of the problems.

It's very easy for the US to leave.

All that has to happen is for Duterte to actually make a formal request, and for the Philippine congress to revoke the mutual defense treaty.

We will pull out the advisors we have in country helping the Philippine military fight the Islamic fundamentalists in the south. We will end $100M a year in military aid and $500M a year in humanitarian aid. The country will have to rely on loans from the IMF to stay solvent, unless Duterte cuts a financial deal with China.

If the country destabilizes, the biggest risk they face is that US companies manufacturing in the Philippines will pull out. That would completely destroy what's left of their economy.

Duterte has a groundswell of popular support right now as he is cleaning out the corruption in government, in the police force, and the huge drug problem. It's estimated that as high as 70% of the population faces a problem with someone who uses shabu - locally manufactured crystal meth - and the people want the pushers and drug lords dealt with.

The people are not in favor of cutting off ties with the US, however they see the corruption and drug issues as a higher short term priority.

I've been traveling to the Philippines several times a year since 1987 and have witnessed the rise and fall of this great country. It's a very complex problem today, and Duterte is taking some bold and straightforward approaches to try to fix things. Only time will tell if he was right. He is not a friend of the US, and may not value any continued relationship. We will see.

He needs the support of congress to make a change in the relationship, unless of course he declares marshal law and becomes a dictator. He has not yet suspended the constitution, though the extrajudicial killings are not being addressed by congress yet.