Phoney Surveillance

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  1. Plutonius macrumors 603

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    An interesting article discussing the prevalence of cellphone surveillance equipment owned and used by local police.

    Nothing has been truly private for years but what is your opinion of people spying on your cellphone conversations ?
     
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    I'm not a fan of this without a warrant. Although, you are transmitting on a signal that travels through the air so maybe you don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy while on a cell phone.
     
  3. Plutonius thread starter macrumors 603

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    If they ever listened to my conversations it would probably put them to sleep :).

    I don't worry as much on the local police owning this technology as much as random people getting it and listening in.
     
  4. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    By that rationale (and you've left the door open to this just being a potential rationale, not saying explicitly that it's your stance) theonly time you have an expectation of privacy is when talking directly to someone, in a closed environment.

    Those signals are not wide open for anyone to intercept, long gone are the days where your kids walkie talkie would pick up phone calls. With that being the case, calls have to actively be intercepted, I'd think I'd have a reasonable expectation that police/companies cannot actively reach out for my communications without a warrant.

    Does that logic make sense? It seems like you're not cemented on any particular opinion on this topic so hopefully my argument sways you a bit to my notions.
     
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    I havent given much thought to this particular issue. I'll have to get back to you.
     
  6. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    That's entirely fair.

    Some reading on the topic:
    https://theintercept.com/2016/09/12...-manuals-detail-how-police-can-spy-on-phones/
    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/09/meet-the-machines-that-steal-your-phones-data/

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...stingray-ruling-baltimore-convictions-privacy
    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...-over-1000-times-without-warrants-since-2008/
    https://www.wired.com/2015/10/stingray-government-spy-tools-can-record-calls-new-documents-confirm/


    Note that the "Stingray" is the known device dating back to the early 2000's, the new versions that are out can siphon data off thousands of phones simultaneously and are deployed regularly all over the nation without warrants.

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/09/meet-the-machines-that-steal-your-phones-data/2/
     
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