Pick Your Own Gender...???

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  1. Squadleader macrumors regular

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    omfg!


    Maybe its because he was watching Chaz on DWTS. :eek:
     
  3. likemyorbs macrumors 68000

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    That's pretty wrong, but i don't see why it would set anything back 25 years.
     
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    Just remember. It's very important to judge things you don't really understand based on limited information that's available in a newspaper article. Otherwise, you might not get a chance to be outraged.
     
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    AND foxnews.
     
  7. leekohler macrumors G5

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    I don't know. I think it's a bit much to be doing this while a child is still growing.
     
  8. dime21 macrumors 6502

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    As it should. These disgusting "parents" should be jailed for child abuse. An 11 year old does not have a "sexual identity". If he wants to wear lipstick and skirts when he's 18, when he's an adult, that's his own business. But to chemically alter the physiological development of a young child is frighteningly wrong.
     
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    One could say they should tell him to wait until he is 18 to decide. But then again some 18 year olds aren't as mature as some 13 year olds so who knows. If he does go through high school as a boy wanting to be a girl it should be a rough ride for him/her although it sounds (if the report is accurate) that his life has already been rough.

    I'm having a hard time understanding how a child is born a male with normal testosterone and estrogen levels, a male reproductive system etc and at age 3 telling everyone they are a girl and continuing that conviction to the point of threatened genital mutilation and requesting a sex change. Which leads me to agreeing with this from the article:

     
  10. dime21 macrumors 6502

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    To chemically alter a child's physiological development based on the statements of a 3 year old? That's absurd and it ought to be criminal.
     
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    Well it's assumed that 8 years later he holds the same convictions at age 11.
     
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    Agreed, this is a very disturbing situation.
     
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    I think so too, but I don't know any of the people involved, nor do I know much about gender identity disorder.
     
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    Perhaps you didn't. I certainly knew my sexuality identity when I was 11.

    Indeed. Especially a foxnews article that quotes a dailymail article and uses in-house "specialists" and does not contain a single interview with the individuals in question. Luckily a quick google does indeed reveal there is much more to the story.
     
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    There is a fair amount of case study level data on transgendered people where at least some of them "know" what they are (or develop a firm, lifelong belief, or whatever) at a very young age, and there's also some anecdotal data that behavioral signs show up as early as the 3yo timeframe.

    I don't think that 11 year olds are fully competent to make all decisions. I also don't think they're broadly incompetent to make any decisions related to their life. While parents have ultimate decision-making authority, 11-year-olds are often involved to some extent in making decisions about things like cancer treatment that may mean life-or-death for them.

    If a child takes a position at 3 and is reasonably unswerving in that position until 11, I think that has to be given some level of credence, even if the child is not fully equipped to make an informed decision about the kind of medical treatment they are describing.

    I think it's a complex decision. I think reluctance to engage in a major treatment on an 11 year old is very sensible. On the other hand, the rationale of the decision is that the hormone blockers "buy" him/her time to make the right decision, whereas if puberty is allowed to take its course, it will be harder for the child to fully integrate into adult life in the other sex role. In that sense, the child is given a unique opportunity to make a decision now, and inaction is as much a decision as action is.

    Also P.S. a psychiatrist from Johns Hopkins is not exactly an unbiased source. Hopkins has at least once taken a clearly wrong position on a closely related issue and has not (AFAIK) fully absolved itself of that old thinking.
     
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    So, you grow up your whole life in the presence of 2 women. Of course you want to be a girl! When you are told you are a boy, you have nothing to identify with. Of course he wants to be like both his parents. Who wouldn't?
     
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    Of course there's actually no evidence that this is the case.

    But who needs evidence when you can just say it right? :rolleyes:
     
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    That makes no sense. By your logic single moms shouldn't raise boys either? Because a lot of guys were raised by single moms without any gender confusion.
     
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    Two things strike at me: lesbian couple and California

    Of course this would happen in California :rolleyes:
     
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    I think we'll see a lot more of these cases. Gender identity is a serious issue and one that hasn't always been taken seriously by the medical community. Babies born with dimorphous genitalia were often operated on without the parents' consent much less any establishment of the infant's true gender. Even when the parents were involved, a choice was often forced them in the belief that a decision had to be made immediately rather than allowing the child to discover its own gender.

    Are the gender bending chemicals like BPA actually causing this? Who knows but I do think that it's an issue that needs to be taken seriously and rather than the typical knuckle dragging, knee jerk reactions, it would help if everyone treated the issue with some respect.
     
  21. HarryPot macrumors 6502a

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    Who says children of single moms have an easy life?

    The normal thing around us is a child having a mom and a dad. Women have different emotions / ways of talking / etc. than men. Consequently, a child having both a man and a woman as parents will have an easier time.

    Having two men or two women as parents complicates things. More in a society were same sex couples are frowned upon. It would be illogical if the parents (two moms) of this kid never thought that their son would have a more complicated life just by the fact that they were lesbians.
     
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    Balance is good. Yin and Yang. Each complements the other. When you deviate from nature's formula, things quickly get ugly.
     
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    They are simply unfit parents. Period.

    Let the child find his own sexuality.
     
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    He said he was a girl when he was 3. ;)
     
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    Kids say all sorts of things.

    Maybe they gave him an easy-bake oven that Christmas?
     

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