Pictures from Iraq


Daveway

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mactastic said:
Ohh ok, so everything's hunky dory over there. Good to know. Thanks!
I don't think that's the message that was intended to be put across. :rolleyes:
I think it was showing that there is more than just killing going on over there. But of course that what you flaming liberals wold want to believe.
 

zimv20

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i've got some, too. they're a little older...





this guy's reading a letter!




and the vietnamese are free to dance!
 

mactastic

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Daveway said:
I don't think that's the message that was intended to be put across. :rolleyes:
I think it was showing that there is more than just killing going on over there. But of course that what you flaming liberals wold want to believe.
Oh what message was it intended to put across? :rolleyes:

But of course you war lovin' conservatives want to believe the war is going just fine like in those photos. Oh my, did I overly generalize there? :eek:
 

takao

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yeah but in my opinion the whole soldier with cute little kitten or puppy is a little bit overdone
(sorry, i simply could not resist ... that picture was the first which came to my mind when as soon as i saw the one with little cat... but those 3 guys are actually estonians volunteers :rolleyes: )
 

stubeeef

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Thanks for posting those, I thought about doing that too, but alass had to consider the audience.
There are some great things that are coming about in Iraq, all the news is not bad, just the bad is what you hear. It is not peaches and creme over there by any stretch, but let us not ignore the good because of it.
 

blackfox

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because i consciously choose to be explicit with my point:

zim, your post pretty much sums things up and I noticed no-one has brought forth a rebuttal...'nuff said. Good job mate...

At the risk of seeming moderate, I would like to tone down the polemics and state that most of us here tend not to see situations as either black or white, rather a much more interesting variety of greys...

in any case, I always like pictures.
 

mactastic

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Lol, we're got a genuine conservative here... One who thinks 'you war-loving conservatives' is beyond the pale, but who thinks nothing of 'you flaming liberals'.

Karl Rove would be proud of you Dave. :D
 

miloblithe

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I would like to say this:

of course there are good things going on in Iraq. It's a freakin' country! There are millions of people and billions of events every day. The intelligent questions are about aggregates and effectiveness, not whether US soldiers look good next to cute kittens or whether, at some point, in the past two+ years, a couple Iraqis were willing to hold up signs that they themselves may or may not have made.

Do most Iraqis want us there?
Is soldier morale high?
Is the insurgency weakening?
Is Iraq being rebuilt?
Are Iraqi children dying at a higher rate now or were they dying at a higher rate under the sanctions?

so on and so on.
 

kuyu

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Good pictures. It's nice to see something other than blood and gore for a change. I have several friends who are either in Iraq now or a have already returned home. They all have different stories to tell, but 95% of their time over there was more like these pictures than the news would have us believe.

One guy, for instance, has a private air-conditioned room. He works the radio all day (even though he's a chemical weapons specialist, not too many of those over there it seems;) )

Another guy wrote an entire album while in Iraq. It's actually really mellow. He was a really liberal guy before he joined the army. The night he got back we had a party and someone asked him whether or not he supported the war and Bush. He said yeah, and then some anonymous rich kid started arguing with him about it, not knowing that the man in front of him was fresh out of country. He tore the kid a new one, to say the least...

To be fair, my other friend was gung ho for the war, then came back against it. He was shooting RPG's at Uday and Qusay though, and told me some stuff we didn't hear on the news. However, his coke head mom spent every penny of his war money, so he had to re-enlist. Last I heard he got some cake job at the Baghdad Airport Base.

My uncle got a purple heart in the Gulf War. He's turbo liberal, hates Bush, but is totally behind the war. Odd, I know, but truth is stranger than fiction sometimes.

Anyways, just thought I'd share these...
 

solvs

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It depends on if the ends justify the means. I doubt many of are against Saddam being removed from power, I just think it's more the way he was removed. This war was supposed to be quick and painless. To fight terrorism, get those WMDs out of their hands, and help pave the way for Democracy. The problem is: Saddam was not responsible for 9/11, there were no WMDs, you can't force freedom down the barrell of a gun... and as far as the proof for this being done in such a bad way, WE'RE STILL THERE! This administration has made a lot of errors thanks to their short-sidedness. And I don't see it changing for the better any time soon, as I don't see them changing any time soon.

I'm sure for every horror story there is a whole lotta good as well, but that doesn't make the bad any less real. Anyone who isn't a partisian hack can tell you that. Some of us also have friends over there that we wish were home, or at least out fighting the real terrorists. If we had caught Bin Laden and the whole Iraq thing had been over as fast as Bosinia or Kosavo with no casualties, we wouldn't be complaining. Well, about Iraq at least. There's plenty of other reasons to angry at the mistakes of this administration. And a lot of people are starting to see that. It's a shame that some are looking so hard a the bad that they ignore the good, but that works the other way too. ;)
 

Xtremehkr

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Despite the claim, there aren't exactly of lot of these pictures released. Though scenes like this are far more common.



This one is nice. The face is made up of small pictures of the people he is responsible for killing. After the facts had been fixed around the policy.

There is really no point in posting more pictures, despite evidence like the Downing Street Memo and complete intelligence failure, some people are going to continue to believe. I wonder what the implied greater good of all of this is, there must be some reason for so blatantly forgetting ones convictions.
 

kuyu

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Xtremehkr, pretty grusome stuff there. I'm intrigued by your statement that
scenes like this are far more common.
Than what? Are you saying that we don't get to see the gruesome pics, or are you asserting that this stuff (the bad) happens more than the good?

While I can assure you that we disagree on the whole war, I am glad that we at least live in a place where you can disagree with the government and not watch as gov't agents rape and murder your family because of your views. Until very recently, this was a right the Iraqi's didn't have.

This is pretty funny...
http://www.tech-sol.net/humor/cartoon47.htm
 

skunk

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kuyu said:
While I can assure you that we disagree on the whole war, I am glad that we at least live in a place where you can disagree with the government and not watch as gov't agents rape and murder your family because of your views.
On the other hand, in the USA you can be walking down the street to work and be snatched off the street, stripped, drugged, blindfolded, and taken to a comfortable private jet at a military airfield, and flown free of charge to an Egyptian jail to be tortured. Just on the off-chance that you share a name or a religion with someone they were told was a Bad Man®. Can you imagine Saddam Hussein providing a private jet?
 

kuyu

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skunk said:
On the other hand, in the USA you can be walking down the street to work and be snatched off the street, stripped, drugged, blindfolded, and taken to a comfortable private jet at a military airfield, and flown free of charge to an Egyptian jail to be tortured. Can you imagine Saddam Hussein providing a private jet?
LOL. That's a good one. Seriously though, I think we sometimes forget that the rest of the world isn't all sunshine and lollipops. Rather, most of the second and third world is a criminal hellhole where treaties are cheap and life is even cheaper. None of us would survive a month in some of these places. They hate liberal Americans and conservatives, and Marxists and capitalists alike. As long as the USA does not establish Islam as the only permissable religion, they will continue their fight (unless we kill 'em first).