Police Unions Show Us They Don't Believe In Free Speech

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    This is an organization, comprised of perhaps as high as 95%, "good people".
    (I made that statistic up, completely, out of whole cloth)


    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...corts_unless_they.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top
     
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    Go figure you have a problem of people deciding not to do a paid volunteer detail. Easy solution, it's no longer volunteer basis but mandatory.
     
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    What does that have to do with the article I posted?
     
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    do the dolphins PAY for the escort? or is that passed on to the tax payers?
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    everything, you simply don't get it.
     
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    Players not standing up, 11 year olds with BB guns, man cops get offended by everything these days. They must need a safe space.
     
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    "Everything" is not an answer to my question.
     
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    They believe in Free Speech. They just believe that actions have consequences.
     
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    Nope. The union chief, for some reason, thinks players should give up their rights as they are players on the field.

    That sounds like a thing for the employer to determine, not a freelance security detail. Certainly not a workplace safety and benefits organization.

    This is a security detail comprised of law enforcement officers (supposed protectors of our Consitutional rights). Their union is trying to prevent them from taking the work.
     
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    1 things were not as easy as it seemed implied in your post
    2 fire away........
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    don't like it? PAY someone else to escort them in, pretty simple.
     
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    Dude what I got from your post is that because cops are targeted by POS like that driver, I am actually not allowed to critique or criticize cops when they bitch about people exerting their first amendment rights or when they kill a child for no reason and aren't charged for murder.

    Why do you hate the 1st amendment? Why are you not as ardent a 1st amendment supporter as you are 2nd amendment? You know Trump is against the first amendment right? And the 4th and the 5th and the 6th
     
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    1 the you got it wrong

    2 because the wife does not let me practice it, and if I can't practice it then no one else should :mad:
    3. the 1st gets you in trouble with the wife. :(
    4. Trump should be in the looney house & Hillary in jail, not voting for either one of those morons.

    so there :D
     
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    But aren't companies people too? "Corporations are people too" and thus should have to follow the rights, freedoms, and laws of the land in which they live?
     
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    they are people until it's time to send them to jail.
     
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    In which case the concept of "freedom" is nullified because the very definition includes not having consequences. Consequences are restraints and restraints can be consequences. I suppose a parallel would be regulations in a free market economy, more regulations hurt their freedom, since "corporations are people too"?
     
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    Yes, that is the solution, but it doesn't address the problem I posted about: Police unions who do not believe in a right to free speech.
     
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    so what I'm getting is that you don't like being married...
     
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    do police unions NOT have the right to that speech themselves? should the unions be FORCED to change their tune? do you not see the irony there? :D
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    I think you need to give me your address so I can ship you a working sarcasm meter :D
     
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    Police officers do a dangerous, thankless job for mediocre pay. They deal with people at their worst moments.

    That said, most police unions are reactionary, hysterical organizations that will pick the most blinkered argument and run with it, hoping that emotional calls will provide cover for often idiotic ideas.

    Regardless of whether they agree with the football players or not, they should still provide security because they're professionals and defending people's right to protest is part of the defense of a civil city. The best police forces allow, for example, Black Lives Matter protests to unfurl and then let them say their piece in a public square. The worst try to tamp down controversy and end up fueling the fury they hoped to suppress.

    This isn't a First Amendment claim per se, but it illustrates that police unions don't understand the issue. People are frustrated that police officers have killed people. Some of these killings appear completely unjustified. And, unions need to address this issue head-on, not just reflexively defend officers.

    The shooting of Michael Brown illustrates this perfectly. In reality, Wilson was justified in shooting Brown, but because the police agency had done such an awful job of working with the community and mishandled every part of their public relations, it became very easy for the shooting to became a flash-point.

    Here, the police will be putting themselves in a dangerous kind of group think that separates them from the NFL, from the players, and from the surrounding community.

    Imagine seeing police officers stand at attention as men kneel in protest. They show they believe in free speech, even if they disagree.

    Now, imagine those men still kneeling, while police slink away.

    Which image tells a better story for America?
     
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    Why didn't you use the headline from the article?

    Oh, ah, I understand now. :rolleyes:
     
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    Police unions, unions in general, should support the mission of the members they represent. In the case of a police union, that mission is the protection and preservation of Constitutional rights. Individual members are allowed their opinions on any topic, of course. This authoritarian attitude by the president is very unprofessional and his comfort in doing so speaks to a larger issue we have within the law enforcement community in the U.S.
     
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    and the president should uphold the constitution instead of signing indefinite detention w/o trial into law, but because a black guy with a "D" next to his name did it I bet you are ok with it :rolleyes: if the POS moron we have at the very top can do as he pleases then so can the unions..............
     
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    It looks to me that some people need to get better informed on how the 1st amendment works.
     

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