Poll reveals what we already knew: Most teabaggers are racist

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http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/racepolitics.html

recent survey directed by University of Washington political scientist, Christopher Parker, finds that America is definitely not beyond race. For instance, the Tea Party, the incipient movement that claims to be committed to reigning in what they perceive as big government, appears to be motivated by more than partisanship and ideology. Approximately 45 % whites either strongly or somewhat approve of the movement. Of those, only 35% believe blacks to be hardworking, only 45 % believe blacks are intelligent, and only 41% think that blacks are trustworthy. Perceptions of Latinos aren’t much different. While 50% of white tea party supporters believe Latinos to be hardworking, only 39% think them intelligent, and at 37%, fewer tea party supporters believe Latinos to be trustworthy.
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Desertrat

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The trouble with that BS is that the main gripes of the Tea Party people are about wasteful spending and about taxation policy. Sure, there's minor griping from other parts of the group about other issues, but those two are primary.

A Gallup poll of a few days ago described the group as a cross-section of the population as far as ages, education and incomes. That fits with what I know about those friends or acquaintances who have attended the various gatherings.

IQ? I've not attended, but I'm in sympathy with their complaints. I scored 1440 on the GRE. And you?
 

Zombie Acorn

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Theres a problem with the way this survey was accomplished.. If I was handed a survey that had a question like "Do you think blacks are intelligent?" I would simply throw it away, as any sensible person would when asked such a idiotic question.

Also are there any sample questions from the survey? The administrator of the survey appears to be part of a few racially charged groups so it is likely these results are skewed to make a point.

I have emailed the lead of the survey for a copy.
 

citizenzen

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Theres a problem with the way this survey was accomplished.

Also are there any sample questions from the survey?
That's interesting... you first state that there's "a problem the way this survey was accomplished" and then ask, "are there any sample questions from the survey".

How can you come to the first conclusion if you have no idea about the survey asked?

Do you always leap to such hasty conclusions?
 

Zombie Acorn

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That's interesting... you first state that there's a problem with "the way this survey was accomplished" and then ask, "are there any sample questions from the survey".

How can you come to the first conclusion if you have no idea about the survey? Do you always leap to such hasty conclusions?
Because the results of the survey say that "xx% of whites think blacks are intelligent" If asked that particular question I would be done with the survey already. I want to know how they came to their conclusions even though I can already tell this survey was a crap fest.

I would personally be insulted to fill out a survey that lists races and asked me if I thought they were intelligent.
 

yayitsezekiel

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i'm a supporter of the tea party movement and I'm not racist at all, although I hate to see that some people are :( it brings us a bad name
 

citizenzen

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If asked that particular question I would be done with the survey already.
That may have been the result of the question, but neither your nor I know the wording of the question.

One can only hope it wasn't so simple (and stupid) as "Are blacks intelligent?"

I'd be curious to see how the questions were actually worded. Then I'd be happy to weigh in on the survey's value and validity.
 

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Alleged University of Washington political scientist, Christopher Parker, needs to learn how to spell the word "led" and not confuse it with the word "lead."
 

mgguy

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The same findings might very well have been found among white democrats too, had they been surveyed. As I recall, a big chunk of the democrat party is made up of whites, which suggests that there is an element of racism in that party too. They also have the loin's share of black voters who almost certainly would be shown as having racist perceptions against whites if they were asked similar types of questions about whites, thus nudging the democrat party even farther into racism territory.

It is also possible that the whites surveyed would have given similar responses when ask the same questions about whites.
 

Thomas Veil

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The same findings might very well have been found among white democrats too, had they been surveyed. As I recall, a big chunk of the democrat party is made up of whites, which suggests that there is an element of racism in that party too. They also have the loin's share of black voters who almost certainly would be shown as having racist perceptions against whites if they were asked similar types of questions about whites, thus nudging the democrat party even farther into racism territory.

It is also possible that the whites surveyed would have given similar responses when ask the same questions about whites.
Cool. The Democratic Party is largely white but it is largely black. And on the evidence of total supposition, we're declaring the black portion to be just as bigoted as the teabaggers.

Yeah, I see. :rolleyes:

...They also have the loin's share of black voters...
You might wanna cover that with a loin cloth.
 

hulugu

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Theres a problem with the way this survey was accomplished.. If I was handed a survey that had a question like "Do you think blacks are intelligent?" I would simply throw it away, as any sensible person would when asked such a idiotic question.
Most surveys attempt to deal with "no response" and there's actually a sampling protocol to avoid this.

Also are there any sample questions from the survey?
Good question. I'd like to see the original questions and their data as well, including sampling error, number of respondents, and sampling methodology.

The administrator of the survey appears to be part of a few racially charged groups so it is likely these results are skewed to make a point.
It's possible, but I wouldn't throw out the survey just because of who the lead happens to be.

I have emailed the lead of the survey for a copy.
Let me know if you get some answers, I'm curious also.
 

mgguy

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Cool. The Democratic Party is largely white but it is largely black. And on the evidence of total supposition, we're declaring the black portion to be just as bigoted as the teabaggers.
Are you not reading very closely, or are you just intentionally trying to distort what I said?

The democrat party is largely composed of whites. And I didn't say the democrat party is largely black, I said they have the lion's share of blacks, meaning that blacks have far greater representation in that party. What about these two statements do you find to be false?

I also didn't declare that blacks are just as bigoted as teabaggers, I said that they would almost certainly have racist perceptions against whites along similar lines tracked by the survey questions. Are you suggesting there is no racism among blacks?
 

63dot

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I would think a long term poll, with a large enough sample, would not find much different numbers for white people within the GOP. Thoughts?

But white Libertarians in the tea party movement are probably more likely to be socially liberal and somewhat less racist.

I would also think white Democrats in general to be the least racist of the three, but still far from a perfect example. Right?

I think you can make a survey of almost any white group or sample of people who are white (GOP members, teabaggers, Mercedes owners, college students at private universities, high school dropouts, elementary school children, Mac users, golfers, guitar players, etc) and find that race relations in America have a long ways to go.

At the same time, I think (as a minority myself), race relations have come a very, very long way. Look at our President, our former Secretary of State, or even the GOP leader. I think, at times, the relations between different minorities (Asians, Hispanics, Blacks, Arab Americans) have a much longer way to go, Eddie Murphy jokes aside. :)
 

Thomas Veil

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Are you not reading very closely, or are you intentionally trying to distort what I said?

The democrat party is largely composed of whites. And I didn't say the democrat party is largely black, I said they have the lion's share of blacks, meaning that blacks have far greater representation in that party. What about these two statements do you find to be false?

I also didn't declare that blacks are just as bigoted as teabaggers, I said that they would almost certainly have racist perceptions against whites along similar lines tracked by the survey questions. I was speaking of the group of course, not every individual in the group. Are you suggesting that blacks have no racism among their ranks?
Not at all. But let's go over it again.

As I recall, a big chunk of the democrat party is made up of whites, which suggests that there is an element of racism in that party too.
First of all, your own prejudice is showing with that "democrat party" crap.

Second, explain how your sentence makes sense. The Democratic Party is far more diverse than the GOP or the Tea Party, and the home of the vast bulk of minorities. The fact that there are also a lot of whites indicates an element of racism?? Where does that come from?

I also didn't declare that blacks are just as bigoted as teabaggers, I said that they would almost certainly have racist perceptions against whites along similar lines tracked by the survey questions.
That isn't even good weaseling.

Which brings me to my third point.

...might very well...had they been surveyed...which suggests...almost certainly would be shown...if they were asked...It is also possible...would have given similar responses...
Got anything to grasp there besides air?
 

mgguy

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The Democratic Party is far more diverse than the GOP or the Tea Party, and the home of the vast bulk of minorities. The fact that there are also a lot of whites indicates an element of racism?? Where does that come from?
It's based on an assumption that racism also exists among white democrats and also among blacks. Do you have any evidence to refute this?
 

Thomas Veil

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It's based on an assumption that racism also exists among white democrats and also among blacks. Do you have any evidence to refute this?
Of course not. I'm sure that racism exists.

I just can't make the leap, without any evidence, that it exists on a level similar to that of the UW survey.

Alleged University of Washington political scientist, Christopher Parker, needs to learn how to spell the word "led" and not confuse it with the word "lead."
The OP's link leads to a page in which there is no incorrect use of the word "lead". That page contains two links, one of which leads to four other pages, and in no case is the word "lead" used incorrectly. So what exactly are you talking about?

Huh? I always heard it was the Pope that $#**s in the woods.
It follows, of course, that bears are Catholic. :D