Poor Dems: Hillary wins a squeaker in Kentucky

DUCKofD3ATH

Suspended
Jun 6, 2005
497
2,379
0
Universe 0 Timeline
The same bunch arguing that it's "chaos" in the Democratic party is the same group arguing that the party was doomed because of Clinton's "coronation" and that the Republican's battle royale was only making their candidates stronger.
Source? I'd be fascinated to see the material you can provide on this mysterious "bunch" you claim to know so much about.
 

DUCKofD3ATH

Suspended
Jun 6, 2005
497
2,379
0
Universe 0 Timeline
Huh? Since when?
Since we keep having this conversation as one state after another give Hillary a hard time. You keep saying such-and-such state wouldn't vote for Hillary because of Obama. I call that complaining about Obama, given that those states did vote for him once upon a time.
[doublepost=1463540640][/doublepost]
In what alternate universe?
The alternate universe that's a mirror image of ours. In that universe, FTW! is WTF?
 
  • Like
Reactions: jkcerda

Tmelon

macrumors 65816
Feb 26, 2011
1,065
435
0
Not much of a point in recounting the votes when each of them will be taking half of the state's delegates regardless of who technically wins.
 

MadeTheSwitch

macrumors 6502a
Apr 20, 2009
799
15,162
0
You keep saying such-and-such state wouldn't vote for Hillary because of Obama
I don't remember ever saying that until tonight and specifically with KY. I have made precious few comparisons to Obama this election cycle. However, such comparisons are not a "complaint" about Obama. I don't know how you possibly get that impression but you're way off the mark.
[doublepost=1463543315][/doublepost]
Funny as hell you complain about Bernie "hijacking" the democrat party while overlooking Hillary is a neocon in the democrat party .
You do the math: How many years has Hillary (and her husband) been in the Democratic Party, how many has Bernie?

And it's so funny how I never heard about such complaints about her husband, but all of a sudden they are leveled at Hillary. Hmmm...I wonder what's different? Hmmmm.....I'm sure it's right there in plain sight.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Scepticalscribe

jkcerda

macrumors 6502a
Jun 10, 2013
681
38,524
0
Criminal Mexi Midget
I don't remember ever saying that until tonight and specifically with KY. I have made precious few comparisons to Obama this election cycle. However, such comparisons are not a "complaint" about Obama. I don't know how you possibly get that impression but you're way off the mark.
[doublepost=1463543315][/doublepost]
You do the math: How many years has Hillary (and her husband) been in the Democratic Party, how many has Bernie?

And it's so funny how I never heard about such complaints about her husband, but all of a sudden they are leveled at Hillary. Hmmm...I wonder what's different? Hmmmm.....I'm sure it's right there in plain sight.
She's a neocon. Yes it's in plain sight you simply refuse to see it
 
  • Like
Reactions: Meister

MadeTheSwitch

macrumors 6502a
Apr 20, 2009
799
15,162
0
Not much of a point in recounting the votes when each of them will be taking half of the state's delegates regardless of who technically wins.
I suppose, but it was quite silly for all the people at his rally tonight chearing at that fact.

"We got half the delegates"

Yay! (Nothing's changed) :rolleyes:

Bernie is totally misleading his supporters. He's telling them he will win California. Flashback: He also insisted he would win New York and did not. He is establishing a pattern of saying things he cannot possibly deliver on and breaking china in the process instead of building bridges. Math is not in his favor. He needs to stop over promising and start healing. Instead he is being an arrogant old fool and letting his ego get in the way and stupidly is playing right into Trump's camp. I am sure they have big gleeful smiles on their face tonight. And with good reason. Bernie is causing a huge divide in the party literally for no reason at this point other then his own selfish ego.
[doublepost=1463544311][/doublepost]
She's a neocon. Yes it's in plain sight you simply refuse to see it
How can a person that has been in the party for over 40 years, even possibly be considered as someone hijacking it? That's a crazy statement to make. What you are spouting is absolutely nonsense. The hijacker is the guy you support. You know, the guy that has been a democrat for only a year out of convenience. :rolleyes:
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Scepticalscribe

Tmelon

macrumors 65816
Feb 26, 2011
1,065
435
0
I suppose, but it was quite silly for all the people at his rally tonight cheating at that fact.

"We got half the delegates"

Yay! (Nothing's changed) :rolleyes:

Bernie is totally misleading his supporters. He's telling them he will win California. Flashback: He also insisted he would win New York and did not. He is establishing a pattern of saying things he cannot possibly deliver on and breaking china in the process instead of building bridges. Math is not in his favor. He needs to stop over promising and start healing. Instead he is being an arrogant old fool and letting his ego get in the way and stupidly is playing right into Trump's camp. I am sure they have big gleeful smiles on their face tonight. And with good reason. Bernie is causing a huge divide in the party literally for no reason at this point other then his own selfish ego.
Oh I agree entirely. Bernie is just leading on his supporters by prolonging his defeat and hurting Hillary's chances against Trump in the process. Donating to his campaign at this point is about as useful as throwing money into a paper shredder.
 
  • Like
Reactions: MadeTheSwitch

jkcerda

macrumors 6502a
Jun 10, 2013
681
38,524
0
Criminal Mexi Midget
image.jpeg
I suppose, but it was quite silly for all the people at his rally tonight cheating at that fact.

"We got half the delegates"

Yay! (Nothing's changed) :rolleyes:

Bernie is totally misleading his supporters. He's telling them he will win California. Flashback: He also insisted he would win New York and did not. He is establishing a pattern of saying things he cannot possibly deliver on and breaking china in the process instead of building bridges. Math is not in his favor. He needs to stop over promising and start healing. Instead he is being an arrogant old fool and letting his ego get in the way and stupidly is playing right into Trump's camp. I am sure they have big gleeful smiles on their face tonight. And with good reason. Bernie is causing a huge divide in the party literally for no reason at this point other then his own selfish ego.
[doublepost=1463544311][/doublepost]
How can a person that has been in the party for over 40 years, even possibly be considered as someone hijacking it? That's a crazy statement to make. What you are spouting is absolutely nonsense. The hijacker is the guy you support. You know, the guy that has been a democrat for only a year out of convenience. :rolleyes:
Hillarys IS a NEOCON. get over it
 
Last edited:

nbs2

macrumors 68030
Mar 31, 2004
2,713
485
0
A geographical oddity
I know you're for Bern, but I just don't see it happening for him if he gets the nod.
Why? I suspect there are more than a few GOPers who would vote for Bernie over Trump. On the other hand, faced with Trump/Clinton, I'll take Trump.

As I've said before, Clinton represents everything I disagree with the Democrats about combined with everything I hate about Republicans. Why would I ever want that combination?
 
  • Like
Reactions: DUCKofD3ATH

MadeTheSwitch

macrumors 6502a
Apr 20, 2009
799
15,162
0
#DropOutHillary
#NeverHillary
#BernieOrBust
#GreenPartyAlternative
Dumb. Why would Hillary "drop out" when she has more votes? The one that should drop out is Sanders.

And go ahead and throw away your vote on the Green Party. Aren't their two green parties? Which one do you pick? If you are just going to throw things away like that, throw some dollar bills my way. That's the only Green Party I am interested in. :D
[doublepost=1463548144][/doublepost]
View attachment 631841
Hillarys IS a NEOCON. get over it
I think you are the one that needs to "get over" something. I'm not the one having a freakout over her.
[doublepost=1463548560][/doublepost]
Why? I suspect there are more than a few GOPers who would vote for Bernie over Trump. On the other hand, faced with Trump/Clinton, I'll take Trump.

As I've said before, Clinton represents everything I disagree with the Democrats about combined with everything I hate about Republicans. Why would I ever want that combination?
Frankly this whole election is all mixed up. I have seen Bernie supporters say they won't vote for Clinton, Clinton supporters say they won't vote for Bernie, focus groups of Republican women saying they are going to vote for Hillary because they can't see voting for Trump. Then there are Republicans like my mom who will probably just stay home. She hates Trump. But hates Hillary too. I can't see Mitt, the Bush family or the Cruz family voting for Trump either. Such divides all the way around...in both parties. Such a screwed up mess. And with candidates that most everyone hates in some way. Crazy.

I've been saying this for almost a year now: No matter who wins there are going to be large segments of both parties who are unhappy. This doesn't bode well for the future. The next four years is going to be incredibly ugly and divisive I think. And who knows what the next election will look like. I shudder to think.
 

Eraserhead

macrumors G4
Nov 3, 2005
10,300
10,262
0
UK
I don't remember ever saying that until tonight and specifically with KY. I have made precious few comparisons to Obama this election cycle. However, such comparisons are not a "complaint" about Obama. I don't know how you possibly get that impression but you're way off the mark.
[doublepost=1463543315][/doublepost]
You do the math: How many years has Hillary (and her husband) been in the Democratic Party, how many has Bernie?

And it's so funny how I never heard about such complaints about her husband, but all of a sudden they are leveled at Hillary. Hmmm...I wonder what's different? Hmmmm.....I'm sure it's right there in plain sight.
Its a different time. In today's age our democratic governments have been utterly outperformed by a communist autocracy - and have failed to deliver much of value over the past quarter century.
 

hulugu

macrumors 68000
Aug 13, 2003
1,819
10,113
0
quae tangit perit Trump
Source? I'd be fascinated to see the material you can provide on this mysterious "bunch" you claim to know so much about.
Bill Scher in The Week, Steven Miller in the National Review, The Economist, not to mention at least a dozen cartoons from conservative and mainstream newspapers, all talked about the eventual coronation of Hillary Clinton and how that was bad for Democrats.

And, of course, there were forum members like maxisix, aaronvan, and thewap.
 

Meister

Suspended
Oct 10, 2013
5,455
4,265
0
Good guys finish last. ..........sadly
I think you are mistaking weakness for goodness.

I am honestly curious why you support Bernie.

It seems that all he does is promote big government and I think we both don't like that.
 
  • Like
Reactions: thewap

nbs2

macrumors 68030
Mar 31, 2004
2,713
485
0
A geographical oddity
Its a different time. In today's age our democratic governments have been utterly outperformed by a communist autocracy - and have failed to deliver much of value over the past quarter century.
An autocracy should always outperform a democracy in the very short term. It is intermediate and long term success where a democracy should pull ahead - centralized market planning helps achieve immediate goals, but makes it difficult to achieve longer term innovation and efficiencies.

I hate to use the word corporatocracy, and neither does my phone, but a failing of current era is the outsized influence of corporate needs over individual. While this has always been an issue, I suspect that many of the legislative gains, financial control, urbanization, and lack of "frontier" escape opportunities are at historic highs and make this a unique environment and an apparently inescapable funk.
 
  • Like
Reactions: DUCKofD3ATH

Eraserhead

macrumors G4
Nov 3, 2005
10,300
10,262
0
UK
An autocracy should always outperform a democracy in the very short term. It is intermediate and long term success where a democracy should pull ahead - centralized market planning helps achieve immediate goals, but makes it difficult to achieve longer term innovation and efficiencies.

I hate to use the word corporatocracy, and neither does my phone, but a failing of current era is the outsized influence of corporate needs over individual. While this has always been an issue, I suspect that many of the legislative gains, financial control, urbanization, and lack of "frontier" escape opportunities are at historic highs and make this a unique environment and an apparently inescapable funk.
What time lengths do you mean by short, medium and long term?
 

NT1440

macrumors G5
May 18, 2008
12,110
13,779
0
]
You do the math: How many years has Hillary (and her husband) been in the Democratic Party, how many has Bernie?

And it's so funny how I never heard about such complaints about her husband, but all of a sudden they are leveled at Hillary. Hmmm...I wonder what's different? Hmmmm.....I'm sure it's right there in plain sight.
Because people loved Bill at the time (the impact of his and Newt's policies, not so much), and Hillary has had 25 years of GOP smear tactics leveled against her. Most of them are complete ******** and use sexist dogwhistles.

Her neocon world view isn't something she's attacked on....because people in glass houses know better than to through stones. Neither the DLC corporate part of the Democratic party or the GOP at large is going to attack her on her foreign policy (other than incidents, not the actual logic behind it) because they are on the same team. Corporate wars for market building. Nothing more.
 

thewap

macrumors 6502a
Jun 19, 2012
558
1,346
0
Hmm..CNN and Hillary declared victory in Kentuky...as of right now, Fox and AP are reporting too close to call..

Am I missing something?
 

NT1440

macrumors G5
May 18, 2008
12,110
13,779
0
Hmm..CNN and Hillary declared victory in Kentuky...as of right now, Fox and AP are reporting too close to call..

Am I missing something?
You're missing that the Secretary of State in KY is a partisan Clinton supporter that made the hugely inappropriate call last night to go out on TV and declare an "unofficial victory" for Clinton, knowing damn well that news sources will use it as a shorthand.

Clinton may have won it, but goddamn that was inappropriate.
 
  • Like
Reactions: tgara and thewap

DUCKofD3ATH

Suspended
Jun 6, 2005
497
2,379
0
Universe 0 Timeline
Bern voter here. I'll vote for Hillary if she takes the nomination, I won't stay home. Just completely CRUSHED your argument.​
I understand your utter demoralization at the situation your party is faced with. That's why I won't belabor how silly it is for you to use anecdotal evidence.
[doublepost=1463577514][/doublepost]
Bill Scher in The Week, Steven Miller in the National Review, The Economist, not to mention at least a dozen cartoons from conservative and mainstream newspapers, all talked about the eventual coronation of Hillary Clinton and how that was bad for Democrats.

And, of course, there were forum members like maxisix, aaronvan, and thewap.
Thanks for providing the info. So they were claiming the coronation of Hillary would be bad because she's an awful candidate? If so, I'd say the evident chaos in the Democratic party, due to her inability to defeat a Socialist, just makes the Democrats' problems worse.
 
Last edited:

zioxide

macrumors 603
Dec 11, 2006
5,725
3,711
0
Bernie isn't a good guy. He's only pretending to be one. Which is actually worse than just outwardly being the jerk that he is.
Must be why his home state where they know him the best didn't support him, right?

Oh wait.