Pope Francis says Big Bang theory and evolution 'compatible with divine Creator'

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  1. needfx macrumors 68040

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    I am no devout christian but this Pope was already a better PRist in my eyes, and more likeable in general. He has taken positive action against those hush-hush stories we all have heard & read about (among others), and now, he's done it again.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...evolution-compatible-with-divine-Creator.html

    Theory universe born in cosmic explosion 13.7 billion years ago 'doesn't contradict' divine Creator but 'demands it', says pontiff

    The theory of the Big Bang is compatible with the Catholic Church's teaching on creation and belief in both is possible, Pope Francis has said.
    The Pope insisted that God was responsible for the Big Bang, from which all life then evolved.
    The Big Bang - the theory that the universe was born in a cosmic explosion about 13.7 billion years ago and has expanded and evolved since - "doesn't contradict the intervention of a divine Creator, but demands it," the Pope said.
    The beginning of the world was not "the work of chaos" but part of a divine plan by the Creator, he said.
    The Jesuit Pope made the remarks during an address to a meeting of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, which gathered at the Vatican to discuss "Evolving Concepts of Nature".

    "Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve," he told the meeting.
    God should not be regarded as some sort of "magician", waving a magic wand, he said.
    "When we read about creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so," he said.
    "He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that He gave to each one so they would reach fulfilment."
    The Pope's remarks were in line with Catholic Church teaching of the last few decades.
    As far back as 1950, Pope Pius XII said that there was no intrinsic conflict between Catholic doctrine and the theory of evolution, provided that Catholics believed that the human soul was created by God and not the result of random evolutionary forces.
    That stance was affirmed in 1996 by Pope John Paul II.
    "The Pope's declaration is significant," said Giovanni Bignami, the president of Italy's National Institute for Astrophysics.
    "We are the descendants of the Big Bang, which created the universe. You just have to think that in our blood we have a few litres of hydrogen, which was created by the Big Bang 13.7 billion years ago.
    "Our blood is red because it contains iron, which was created by the explosion of a star millions and millions of years ago. Out of creation came evolution."
     
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    wake me up when he turns in the pedophile priest.
     
  3. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Demands it ... until they find the natural explanation behind it.

    But until then, it's still a step forward.

    Good for the Pope.
     
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    Not sure why this is newsworthy, to be honest. I'm a Christian (although not Catholic) and I've believed for years that the two ideas are not mutually exclusive.
     
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    it is newsworthy because it might help contain examples as the attached (if it was real of course)

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    I still can't figure out how schooling like this is legal.
     
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    Now more non Catholics will think he is not a christian. Ken ham just got a enemy.
     
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    Time is a loop. It starts and ends with an accident at the Super Hadron Collider.
     
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    I seriously doubt that many Creationists pay much attention to what the Pope might say.
     
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    true they are not exactly into reality.
     
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    fair point
     
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    He'll get smacked down by the bishops by tomorrow.
     
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    Holy Crap! This guy is amazing, turning Catholics on their heads! Single handedly he is undoing the Bible as the factual history of Christianity, turning it into an allegorical reference. Bravo. :D
     
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    This is really nothing new. Back in _1951_ Pope Pius XII declared that the Big Bang theory did not conflict with the Catholic concept of creation.

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    thanks for the input. quite a long text, I'll read it through.
    google translated for whomever else might be interested

    PF was clever enough to intertwine them though
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    ADDRESS OF HIS HOLINESS POPE PIUS XII
    THE CARDINALS, THE ASSOCIATED WITH FOREIGN NATIONS
    AND MEMBERS OF THE PAPAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES

    Thursday, November 22, 1951



    To the Cardinals present
    to the Most Reverend Tied of foreign countries,
    and to the Members of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences.

    An hour of quiet joy, of which we are grateful to the Almighty, we offer this meeting of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, and gives us all entertained us with a welcome opportunity for a select group of eminent cardinals, of distinguished diplomats and distinguished Characters and especially with you, Academicians, well worthy of the solemnity of this forum, for you, investigating and uncovering the secrets of nature, and teaching men to lead his forces to their benefit, preach at the same time, the language of figures , formulas, discoveries, the ineffable harmonies of the wise God.

    In fact, the real science, as opposed to reckless statements of the past, the more advances, the more he discovers God, as if He were waiting behind every door ensuring that science opens. We want to also say that this gradual discovery of God, achieved in the increase of knowledge, not only benefits the philosophical thinker - and how could abstain? - As a philosopher, but also profit those who participate in the new discoveries or make them the object of their considerations; especially if it benefits the genuine philosophers, since taking by using the scientific rational for their speculation, they can achieve greater security in their conclusions, the clearest pictures possible in the shadows, the most compelling benefits to give to the difficulties and objections ever more satisfactory answer.



    NATURE AND CAUSES OF THE EVIDENCE OF THE EXISTENCE OF GOD

    So moved and driven, the human intellect is made ​​to meet the demonstration of the existence of God, who sees the wisdom in the Christian philosophical arguments, sifted through the centuries by the giants of knowledge, and that you are well known in the presentation of the " five-way "the Angelic Doctor St. Thomas offers almost sure and expeditious itinerary of the mind to God. Philosophical arguments, we said; but not therefore a priori, as they charge a ungenerous and inconsistent positivism. They operate on concrete realities detected by the senses and science, even if they buy the probative force of natural reason.

    In this manner, philosophy and science develop with similar methods and reconcile, making use of empirical and rational elements in varying degrees and in the conspiring harmonious unity to the discovery of truth.

    But if the primitive experience of the ancients could provide reason enough arguments to demonstrate the existence of God; with the widening and deepening of the field of experience itself, more splendid and radiantly the footprint of the Lord in the visible world. It therefore seems worthwhile to re-examine on the basis of new scientific discoveries classical proofs of, especially those based upon motion and order of the universe [ 1 ]; research, that is, if and how much deeper understanding of the structure of the macrocosm and the microcosm contributes to strengthening the philosophical arguments; consider then, on the other hand, if and to what extent they have been shaken, as often claimed, from having modern physics fundamental principles formulated new, discontinued or modified old concepts, the meaning of which in the past was perhaps judged fixed and defined, such as, for example, time, space, motion, causality, substance, concepts of the greatest importance for the question which now occupies us. More than a philosophical review of the evidence, it is a question of scrutinizing the physical basis - and we will necessarily, by reason of the time, some only restringerCi - from which those issues arise. Nor is there any fear of surprises: the science itself does not intend to get out of that world, which today, as yesterday, shows that five " ways of being ", hence builds the backbone and the philosophical demonstration of the existence of God .



    ESSENTIAL TWO REPORTS OF THE COSMOS

    Of these " ways of being "of the world around us, found more or less understanding, but with the same evidence, the philosopher and the common understanding, there are two which modern sciences have fathomed marvelously, established and deepened beyond all expectation:

    1, the mutability of things, including their beginning and their end;
    2nd order of finality that stands out in every corner of the cosmos.

    The contribution made by the sciences to the two philosophical demonstrations that of them hinge and forming the first and fifth street, is remarkable. The first physics especially has contributed an inexhaustible mine of experience, revealing the fact of mutability in the deep recesses of nature, where before now no human mind could ever even suspect its existence and extent, and providing a multiplicity of empirical facts which are a valuable aid to philosophical reasoning. We say support; because the direction, instead of these transformations, although discovered by modern physics, there seems to exceed the value of a simple confirmation and achieves almost the structure and the degree of physical argument largely new, and many minds more acceptable, persuasive and acceptable .

    With equal wealth sciences, especially astronomy and biology, have recently supplied argument order such a wealth of knowledge and such a vision, so to speak, intoxicating, the conceptual unity that animates the cosmos, and the purpose of that directs the way, to anticipate the modern man that joy, that Dante imagined in the empyrean heaven when he saw how in God " penetrates - bound by love in one volume - what the universe in leaves is scattered "[ 2 ].

    But Providence has disposed that the idea of God, so essential to the life of every man, as can easily be drawn from a simple glance at the world, in such a way that they do not recognize the voice is foolishness [ 3 ], thus receives confirmation from each study and advancement of scientific knowledge.

    Wish, therefore, to give a few quick examples of the precious the service, that modern science make it to the demonstration of the existence of God, we will restrict before the fact of mutations, revealing mainly the breadth and scope and, as it were, all the physical Modern finds in inanimate cosmos We then explain the meaning of their direction, which was likewise established. It will be like turning the ear with a small concert immense universe, but this was enough voice to sing " the glory of Him who moves all things "[ 4 ].



    A) the mutability THE COSMOS - fact of mutability

    a) In the macrocosm

    Rightly surprising at first sight to see how the knowledge of the fact of mutability has gained more and more ground and in the macrocosm and the microcosm, as the sciences have progressed, as with new evidence confirming the theory of Heraclitus: " Everything flows ": πάντα ρετ. As is known, the same daily experience shows a large amount of change in the world, near or far, around us, especially the local movements of the body. But in addition to these real local motions, are also easily visible multifarious chemical and physical changes, such as the change of physical state of water in its three phases of vapor, liquid and ice; the profound effects of chemicals through the use of fire, the knowledge of which dates back to prehistoric times; the disintegration of the stones and the corruption of the bodies of plants and animals. In this common experience was added natural science, which he taught to understand these and other similar events as a process of destruction or construction of bodily substances in their chemical elements, that is to say, in their smallest parts, the chemical atoms. On the contrary, proceeding further, it became clear that this mutability chemical-physical is in no way restricted to terrestrial bodies, according to the belief of the ancients, but extends to all bodies in our solar system and the wider universe, the telescope, and even better spectroscopy, have shown to be formed by the same kind of atoms.

    b) In the microcosm

    Against the indisputable mutability of nature but also inanimate stood still the enigma of the unexplored microcosm. It seemed, in fact, that the inorganic matter, unlike the animated world, was in a sense immutable. Its smaller pieces of chemical atoms, but could join each other in many different ways, but it seemed that they enjoyed the privilege of eternal stability and indestructibility, leaving unchanged for each chemical synthesis and analysis. One hundred years ago, were still believed to be simple, indivisible and indestructible blocks. The same was thought of the energy and material forces of the cosmos, especially based on the fundamental laws of conservation of mass and energy. Some naturalists considered themselves authorized to make on behalf of their science a great monistic philosophy, whose mean memory is linked, among others, the name of Ernst Haeckel. But in his day, towards the end of the last century, this simplistic conception of the chemical was overwhelmed by modern science. The growing knowledge of the periodic table of the chemical elements, the discovery of the corpuscular radiation of radioactive elements, and many other similar facts have shown that the microcosm of chemical with dimensions of the order of millionth of a millimeter is the scene of ongoing mutations, not unless the macrocosm well known to all.

    c) In the electronic sphere

    And the first character of the mutability was found in the electronic sphere. From the electronic structure of the atom emit radiation of light and heat, which is absorbed by external bodies, corresponding to the energy level of the electron orbits. In the exterior parts of this sphere is also carried the ionization of the atom and the energy transformation in the synthesis and analysis of chemical combinations. But then you could assume that these chemical and physical changes still left a refuge for stability, not reaching the nucleus of the atom, the seat of the mass and positive electrical charge, which is determined by the place of the chemical in the natural system of the elements, and where it seemed to find the type of the absolutely most stable and invariable.

    d) In the nucleus

    But at the dawn of the new century, the observation of the radioactive processes which relate, ultimately, to a spontaneous dissolution of the nucleus, leading to exclude that type. Ascertained so far instability in the deepest recess of nature known, there was one fact which perplexed, seeming that the atom was impregnable at least human strength, because in the beginning all efforts to accelerate or arrest the natural radioactive disintegration, or also to shatter the nuclei inactive, were made. The first very modest dissolution of the nucleus (nitrogen) dates back to just three decades ago, and only recently it was possible, after a hard fight, to make a considerable amount of training processes and decomposition of nuclei. Despite this result, which, as it serves the cause of peace, is certainly ascribed to the pride of our century, is not a practice in the field of nuclear physics but a first step, however, for our consideration is assured an important conclusion: the nuclei are atomic but for many orders of magnitude and more stable than the ordinary chemical compositions, but, nevertheless, are also in general subject to similar transformation laws, and therefore mutable.

    At the same time, it has been found that these processes are of the greatest importance in the economy of the energy of the fixed stars. In the center of our sun, for example, according to Bethe, at a temperature of around twenty million degrees, a chain reaction in him coming back, in which four hydrogen nuclei are combined into a helium nucleus . The energy that is released as well, is to compensate for the loss due to radiation of the sun itself. Even in modern physics laboratories are unable to carry out, by particle bombardment with high-energy neutrons or transformations of nuclei, as can be seen in the example of the uranium atom. In this regard, it is also necessary to mention the effects of cosmic radiation, which can split the heavier atoms, releasing so often for whole swarms of subatomic particles.

    We wanted to mention just a few examples, enough to put beyond doubt the mutability of the inorganic world, large and small: the millecuple transformations of forms of energy, especially in the decomposition and chemical combinations in the macrocosm, and no less than the mutability of atoms chemical to the subatomic particle of their nuclei.

    The Immutable EVER

    The scientist of today, pushing his investigations of nature more deeply than his predecessor a hundred years ago, knows therefore that inorganic matter, so to speak, in his very marrow, is marked with the mark of mutability and therefore his being and his existence require an entirely different reality and by its nature unchangeable. As a mixed picture of the figures stand out from the dark background, obtaining in this way the full effect of plastic and life; so the image of the eternally unchanging emerges clear and shining from the stream that all the material things in the macro and microcosms with it kidnaps and sweeps in an intrinsic mutability which never stops. The scientist, who stands on the banks of this great river, finds rest in that cry of truth, which God called himself " I am who I am "[ 5 ], and that the Apostle praises as " Pater luminum, apud non est quem neque transmutatio vicissitudinis obumbrati or "[ 6 ].



    B) THE MANAGEMENT OF CHANGE

    a) In the macrocosm: the law of entropy

    But modern science has not only broadened and deepened our knowledge about the reality and extent of the mutability of the universe; it also gives us valuable information about the direction, according to which the processes of nature are accomplished. While a hundred years ago, especially after the discovery of the law of constancy, it was thought that natural processes were reversible, and therefore, according to the principles of strict causality - or rather, determination - was considered possible an ever-recurring renewal and rejuvenation of the cosmos; with the law of entropy, discovered by Rudolf Clausius, it became known that the spontaneous natural processes are always related to a diminution of freedom and usable energy: what is in a closed material system should finally lead to the termination of the processes scale macroscopic. This fatal destiny, which only hypotheses, sometimes too free, such as the continuous creation, forcibly try to save the universe, but that comes from positive scientific eloquently posits the existence of a necessary Being.

    b) In the microcosm

    In the microcosm of this law, which is statistical, did not apply, and in addition, at the time of its formulation, did not know almost anything about the structure and behavior of the atom. However, the most recent survey on the atom and also the unexpected development of astrophysics made possible surprising discoveries in this field. The result can only be briefly mentioned here, and is also developing atomic intraatomico is clearly given a sense of direction.

    To illustrate this, just use the aforementioned example of the behavior of solar energy. The electronic structure of the chemical atoms in the photosphere of the Sun every second emits a huge amount of radiant energy into the surrounding space, that does not return. The loss is compensated for from the sun by means of the formation of helium from hydrogen. The energy which is thus liberated, comes from the mass of hydrogen nuclei, which in this process for a small part (7 ‰) are converted into equivalent. The clearing process takes place, therefore, at the expense of energy, which originally, in the nuclei of hydrogen exists as a mass. Thus this energy, over billions of years, slowly but irrevocably, becomes radiation. A similar thing happens in all radioactive processes, both natural and artificial. Here too, then, in the narrow microcosm, we find a law that indicates the direction of evolution, which is analogous to the law of entropy in the macrocosm. The direction of the spontaneous evolution is determined by reducing the energy used in the structure and the nucleus of the atom, and so far no known processes, which could offset or cancel this through the spontaneous formation of nuclei of high energy.



    C) THE UNIVERSE AND ITS DEVELOPMENT

    In future

    If, then, the scientist turns his gaze to the future from the present state of the universe, albeit distant, is forced to find, as in the macrocosm in the microcosm, the age of the world. Over billions of years, even the seemingly inexhaustible amount of atomic nuclei lose energy use, and material approaches, to speak figuratively, a volcano spent and wasted. It is done to think that if this universe, so now button and rhythms of life, is not sufficient to account for its existence, as we have seen, much less will it be that the universe, which will be passed in its own way the shadow of death.

    And in the past We now turn our gaze to the past. In proportion as it recedes, the material looks more and more rich in free energy and the theater of great cosmic upheavals. So everything seems to indicate that the material universe has taken from finite time, a strong start, as he was provided with an abundant unimaginably large energy reserves, in accordance with which, at first rapidly, then slowly increasing, it has evolved the present state. Yes spontaneously come to mind two questions: Is science in a position to say when this powerful principle of the cosmos took place? And what was the initial, primitive state of the universe? Most experts in atomic physics, in collaboration with astronomers and astrophysicists have tried to shed light on these difficult but extremely interesting problems.

    D) THE PRINCIPLE IN TIME

    First of all, to quote some figures, which no other claim that deliver an order of magnitude in designating the dawn of our universe, that is, its beginning in time, science has a lot of ways, quite independent of each other yet converged, which indicate briefly:

    1. The spacing of the spiral nebulae or galaxies. - The examination of a number of spiral nebulae, especially performed by E. Edwin Hubble at Mount Wilson Observatory, led to significant results - as tempered by reservations - that these distant systems of galaxies tend to away from one another so fast that the interval between two such spiral nebulae in about 1.3 billion years is doubled. If you look back at the time of this process of '' Expanding Universe ', that, from one to ten billion years ago, matter of all spiral nebulae was compressed into a relatively small space, when the beginning of the cosmic processes .

    2. The age of the solid crust of the earth. - In order to calculate the age of the original radioactive substances, are to be taken very approximate data from the transmutation of the isotope uranium 238 isotope of lead (RaG), uranium 235 actinium D (ACD) and the isotope thorium 232 thorium D (ThD). The mass of helium, which is formed thereby, can serve as a control. By this way shows that the average age of the oldest minerals not more than 5 billion years.


    3. The age of meteorites . - The previous method applied to meteorites, to calculate their age, gives about the same figure of 5 billion years. This result, which acquires special importance because the meteorites come from outside of our country and, except for terrestrial minerals, are the only examples of celestial bodies that can be studied in scientific laboratories.

    4. The stability of the systems of double stars and star clusters. - The fluctuations of gravitation in these systems, as the friction of the tides, again restrict their stability within the period of 5 to 10 billion years. If these figures are astonishing, but even the simplest of believers not as unheard of and other than that derived from the first words of Genesis, " In the beginning , "that is, the beginning of things in time. At these words they give a concrete and almost mathematical, while comfort is comes to those who share with the Apostle esteem that Scripture is divinely inspired, which is always useful " to docendum, for arguendum, for corripiendum, for erudiendum "[ 7 ].

    E) THE STATE AND THE QUALITY OF THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL

    With equal commitment and freedom of inquiry and investigation, the learned, as well as the question of the age of the universe, they applied the bold teach each other already mentioned and certainly much more difficult, which concerns the status and quality of primitive material .

    According to the theories which are taken as the basis, the calculations do not differ little from each other. However, scientists agree that, in addition to the mass, the density, pressure and temperature must have attained degrees of enormous, as can be seen in the recent work of A. Unsöld, director of the Kiel [ 8 ] . Only under these conditions may include the formation of heavy nuclei and their relative frequency in the periodic system of the elements.

    On the other hand with the right mind, hungry for real, insists upon asking, how matter came to a state so unlike that of our common experience today, and what preceded it. One waits in vain for a response from the natural sciences, which honestly declares to be confronted with an insoluble enigma. It is true that this is asking too much of natural science as such; but it is certain that penetrates more deeply into the problem of the human spirit versed in philosophical meditation.

    It is undeniable that an enlightened mind and enriched by modern scientific knowledge, which calmly assess this issue, is brought to breaking the cycle of matter completely independent and indigenous, or because uncreated, or because they created for themselves, and to go back to a Spirit creator. With the same clear and critical gaze, which examines and judges the facts, you can see and recognize the work of creative omnipotence, whose power, aroused by the powerful " fiat "pronounced billions of years ago by the Creator Spirit, the universe unfolded , called into existence by an act of generous love matters exuberant energy. Indeed, it seems that science today, rising suddenly millions of centuries, has succeeded in being a witness to that primordial ' Fiat Lux ', when out of nowhere burst forth with matter a sea of light and radiation, while the particles of the chemical elements split and reunited in millions of galaxies.

    It is true that in the time of the creation of the facts so far established are not subject to absolute proof, as are those which are drawn from metaphysics and revelation, with regard to the simple creation and revelation, if it comes to setting the time. The facts relevant to the natural sciences, to which I have referred, are still waiting for further investigation and to comply, and the theories based on them need of new developments and evidence to provide a sound basis for an argument, which itself is outside the its sphere of natural science.

    Nevertheless, it is worthy of note that modern students of these sciences value the idea of the creation of the universe completely compatible with their scientific conception, and indeed there are spontaneously led by their investigations; while, even a few decades ago, such a " hypothesis "was rejected as absolutely irreconcilable with the present state of science. As late as 1911, the famous physicist Svante Arrehnius declared that " the belief that something can come from nothing, it's inconsistent with the present state of science according to which matter is immutable "[ 9 ]. Likewise Plate is the statement: " Matter exists. Nothing proceeds from nothing: consequently the matter is eternal. We can not allow the creation of matter "[ 10 ]. How different and more faithful mirror of great vision is the language of a modern first-class scientist, Sir Edmund Whittaker, Pontifical Academy, when he speaks of his researches around the age of the world: "These different estimates converge to the conclusion that there was a time, about 10 9 10 or 10 years ago, before which the cosmos, if it existed, existed in a form totally different from anything known to us: so that it is the last limit of science. We may perhaps without impropriety refer to it as the creation. It provides a background to the concurring view of the world, which is suggested by geological evidence, that every organism existing on earth had a beginning in time. If this result were to be confirmed by future research, it may well come to be regarded as the most important discovery of the age; because it represents a fundamental change in the scientific conception of the universe, similar to that carried out four centuries ago, through the work of Copernicus' [ 11 ].

    Conclusion

    What then is the importance of modern science about the subject in the proof of existence of God derived from the mutability of the universe? By means of exact and detailed investigations in the macrocosm and the microcosm, it has widened and deepened considerably the empirical foundation upon which the argument is based, and from which we conclude to the existence of an Ens to itself, by its nature unchangeable. It also followed the course and direction of cosmic developments, and how it has envisioned the fatal termination, so he singled out their start in a time of about 5 billion years ago, confirming with the reality of physical proofs of the contingency 'universe and based deduction that time the cosmos issued from the hand of the Creator.

    The creation in time, then; and therefore a Creator; So God! This is the voice, though not explicit or complete, that we asked to science, and that the present human generation expects from it. It's voice rises from the mature and calm consideration of one aspect of the universe, namely its mutability; but it is sufficient because the intiera humanity, the apex and rational expression of the macrocosm and the microcosm, becoming aware of its high factor, feels His presence, in space and time, and, falling on his knees before his sovereign majesty, begin to call upon the name " Rerum, Deus tenax vigor, - IMMOTUS in you permanens - Lucis diurnae tempora - successibus determinans "[ 12 ].

    The knowledge of God as the only creator, shared by many modern scientists, but it is the extreme limit which can be reached by natural reason; but it is not - as you know - the last one. border of the truth. The same Creator, from science encountered on his journey, philosophy, and much more revelation, in harmonious cooperation, because all three instruments of truth, like rays of that sun, contemplate the substance, they reveal the contours, portraying the likeness. Revelation especially makes them almost immediately, gives life, love, what is the simple believer or scientist feel in the depths of their minds, where they repeat without hesitation the concise words of the Apostles' Creed: " I believe in Deum , Patrem omnipotentem. Creatorem Coeli et terrae "!

    Today, after so many centuries of civilization, because centuries of religion, it is now the need to discover for the first time God, but rather to recognize Him as Father, and revere him as a legislator, fear Him as Judge; urgent for the salvation of the Gentiles, that they adore the Son, loving Redeemer of mankind, and bending to the gentle promptings of the Spirit, Sanctifier of souls fruitful.

    This conviction, which takes away moves from science, is crowned by faith, which, if more and more ingrained in the consciousness of the people, it can really lead a fundamental progress of civilization.

    It is a vision of the whole, of the present and of the future, of matter and of spirit, as the eternity of time, which, illuminating the mind, it will save the people of today a long and stormy night.

    It is that faith that makes us right now raise to Him that we have just called Vigor, Immotus and Pater , a fervent prayer for all of its children, we in the custody " bestow lumens vespere - court life nusquam decidat "[ 13 ]: light for life time, the life of the light for eternity.

    * Discourses and Radio Messages of Pope Pius XII , XIII,
    Thirteenth year of my Pontificate, March 2, 1951 - 1st March 1952, p. 393-406
    Vatican Polyglot Press

    AAS, vol. XXXXIV (1952), no. 1, pp. 31-43.

    [ 1 ] S.Th ., 1 pq 2 art. 3.

    [ 2 ] 2 Par ., 33, 85-87.

    [ 3 ] Cf. Wis ., 13, 1-2.

    [ 4 ] Par ., 1, 1.

    [ 5 ] Ex ., 3, 14.

    [ 6 ] Iac ., 1, 17.

    [ 7 ] 2 Tim . 3, 16.

    [ 8 ] Kernphysik und Kosmologie, in Zeitschrift für Astrophysik , 24. B., 1948, pp. 278-305.

    [ 9 ] Die Vorstellung vom Weltgebäude im Wandel der Zeiten , 1911, p. 362.

    [ 10 ] Ultramontane Weltanschauung and modern Lebenskunde , 1907, p. 55.

    [ 11 ] Space and Spirit , 1946, pp. 118-119.

    [ 12 ] Former Himn. to Nonam .

    [ 13 ] Luke



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  16. AustinIllini macrumors demi-god

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    Are these from Catholic schools? I doubt it. Despite its mixed reputation on science, some of the greatest scientific breakthroughs were by catholic scientists at catholic institutions.
     
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    In addition, Georges Lemaître, who proposed what became known as the Big Bang theory, was a Roman Catholic priest.
     
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    Evangelical Christianity nonsense gets attributed to the Catholic Church all the time.
     
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    color me amazed!! I had no idea!
     
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    Hey, Patrick! First time I've seen you post in the PRSforum. :)

    The pope is wrong! Everyone knows the Big Bang Theroy is not real. It's just a TV show!
     
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    And a terrible one at that!
     
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    But it has a Cory Felman look-a-like!
     
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    This Pope knows full well that for the Roman Catholic Church to survive into the 21st century and beyond, it has to adapt.
     
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    Yes. Add to that the Catholic Church needs to separate itself from the Baptists and the other crazies.
     
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    well except for the gays of course.
     

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