Post your "Sicko" sob story here guys. (Michael Moore)

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by princealfie, Jun 29, 2007.

  1. princealfie macrumors 68030

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    Okay, guys and girls, post your negative health care experience and tell us a story about you got shafted :) like the people in Sicko documentary. I want to hear all about the woes :)
     
  2. Swarmlord macrumors 6502a

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    When my wife and I had our son, he got stuck and had to be taken via C-Section. They transferred her from the delivery room to surgery without batting an eye and the whole process went flawlessly. Since she ended up having a C-Section, the insurance paid for the extra 3 days of recovery in a private room.

    Then we were horrified to discover that the insurance company paid out $1,000 more than the hospital even charged due to the way they calculated "reasonable and proper" rates for the area and ended up giving us the check!

    In other words, the only bad experiences I've had with US medical care involve having needles stuck in me or waiting in the emergency room while they process the people that go there with non emergencies.

    Oh, there was that time that I had a bad roomate, but they transferred me to a private room and all was well.
     
  3. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Given the tone of your post, I highly doubt you're interested in really hearing about anything. Sounds more like you're trolling to me.

    Don't forget to include that you work for a hospital.
     
  4. Sdashiki macrumors 68040

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    dont forget that the reason insurance is $$$ in the US is because of this kind of practice.

    not giving two-craps about hospital bills (vs family doctor and specialist things), they just pay what a hospital asks.

    sometimes $3000 for a "mucous recovery device" (kleenex box), seriously.

    this is the ONLY way hospitals (non private or at least non jerk) can keep afloat. if a person comes off the street, shot, they HAVE to treat em. And only later do they ask for payment, and when they cant, someone still gets paid. The hospital must "make money" to stay open, and you cant make money treating the unbillable. but you can make money OVER billing everyone else.

    i havent even watched Sicko yet, and this is how everyone knows it work.
     
  5. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    Far too many to mention. One short and completely ridiculous recent health care experience that comes to mind is when my oncologist relocated his office but neglected to tell me (or any of his other patients, apparently). I only found out about this just before my next appointment completely by accident, or I'd have driven myself to the wrong office in the wrong city. True story.

    Anyone who doesn't have any health care horror stories probably hasn't needed much health care.
     
  6. princealfie thread starter macrumors 68030

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    Yeah, those are the swarmy workers of them all. They would let the patients collapse in the ER and ignore them if it happened :(
     
  7. princealfie thread starter macrumors 68030

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    The hospital has to survive but it's the absurd premiums that the hospitals that are being charged for.

    Blame the providers not the hospital completely.
     
  8. mrkramer macrumors 603

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    Don't tell them that everyone knows that hospitals can treat everyone and still stay open even when losing money.:rolleyes:

    My negative health care experience wasn't actually me, but the hospital that one of my uncles used to work at had to close because they were losing too much money having to treat everyone even if they wern't getting paid.
     
  9. leekohler macrumors G5

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    I knew you were trolling. :rolleyes:
     
  10. Swarmlord macrumors 6502a

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    True I work in a hospital now and also that with the exception of surgery for a hernia when I was a kid and a tonsilectomy a few years later than that, I haven't had much reason to visit a hospital as a patient. Like I said, the only bad experience with health care has been sitting through it and I dont' think anyone likes to be stuck with needles or have things frozen or burned off.

    As for my extended family who have had much more experience with hospitals and expensive treatment, the worst experiences they have had were dealing with the paperwork afterwards. I would say that part needs to be dealt with in our current healthcare system.
     
  11. yojitani macrumors 68000

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    I would be surprised if many people here had many stories to tell (I may be wrong) because a) if we're here, we have enough time and money (for internet access) and b) most of us already pay a premium on our computers (most of us are mac users, don't forget!). In other words, if you want a serious answer, you're asking the wrong people.
    I for one have been fortunate enough that since moving back to the US in 2004, me and my family have had excellent insurance coverage. I expected to be awed by the medical care in the US, but on the whole I haven't found it to be significantly better for routine things than the NHS in the UK.

    One of the reasons medical care is so costly is really the fault of the doctors and hospital heads for linking up with pharmaceutical companies and medical equipment companies... not to mention the insurance companies' involvement in this. Shortly before I left Japan, the government actually decided to set price caps on certain items and conducted an investigation into kickbacks doctors were receiving. The effect, from my perspective working with a senior person in one of the companies, was huge. The government raided most company HQ's and confiscated masses of paperwork etc. - though I was not around to see if the government actually followed through with all this. This tends not to happen in the US AFAIK because of Washington's fear of limiting 'economic freedom' (funny that they don't care so much about social freedom..)... though that may be set to change??
     
  12. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    Looks like somebody is begging me to get started relating personal experiences which are far worse than "sitting through" health care or dealing with the paperwork afterwards. Not that they won't be completely ignored if I do...
     
  13. princealfie thread starter macrumors 68030

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    Sounds good. Anything to relate? :)
     
  14. zimv20 macrumors 601

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    the whole premise of this thread rubs me the wrong way. it doesn't feel honest.
     
  15. leekohler macrumors G5

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    There have been many stories that people have shared in this forum in the past. Since you're so curious- I'll give you a few.

    The first one involves my Dad. He had a stroke several years ago. The hospital sent him home without finding the reason because the insurance company wouldn't pay for him to stay there. So what happened? He had two more, one while he was driving! Both times he went to the hospital and both times he was sent home because the insurance company said the strokes weren't "severe enough" to warrant a hospital stay. After the fourth, they finally let him stay til they figured out the problem. WTF? Why didn't they just let him stay til they figured it out the first time?

    Another involves a co-worker of mine who lost his leg to cancer. The insurance company told him before the leg was taken that they would be paying for a prosthesis. Hmm...guess what? After the surgery I wonder who suddenly didn't want to pay for a prosthetic leg? So this poor guy is hobbling around the office for months on crutches wondering how the hell he's going to get his leg. After six months of them refusing to pay for it, we finally got a lawyer after them. They paid up really quick. Wonder what happens to people who can't afford lawyers?

    It's not. The OP is trolling.
     
  16. kalisphoenix macrumors 65816

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    My wife's grandfather was given the incorrect medicine for a heart ailment, which triggered a psychotic break. Since no one could understand what he was saying (he reverted to his native German at first, and then was merely babbling), they continued to give him the same medicine for well over a week, insisting that he must have dementia. Then someone noticed the error. That was "fun." Granted, I enjoy the occasional episode of chemically-induced schizophrenia, but it's not something that most 83-year-olds would necessarily enjoy.
     
  17. Ugg macrumors 68000

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    This doesn't come under a sob story but certainly underlines some of the problems that few people are willing to deal with.

    In November of 2004, my grandmother collapsed at the funeral of her best friend. She was taken to the local hospital where they found that her left ventricle was failing. Since the hospital was small and didn't have the ability to treat her condition, she was airlifted to another larger hospital. She died two days later while in intensive care.

    The issue here is that she was 87 years old, she had signed any number of documents and told everyone in earshot that she did not want extraordinary means taken to prolong her life.

    I can understand her being taken to the local hospital but once her doctor and her children were contacted, she should have been made comfortable and allowed to die peacefully. Her doctor and her children all made it clear that she didn't want to have her life prolonged yet it was. I don't know all the ins and outs of her case but I'll guarantee you that more money was spent on her health care in the last three days of her life than was in the entire 87 years prior to that.

    There needs to be some system that prevents useless and medically irresponsible care from taking place. I would personally like to see a law that requires everyone who receives Social Security to have a living will.

    Forcing people to suffer is not what health care is about.
     
  18. Ugg macrumors 68000

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    Wait until it's your turn, I'm sure the smilies will disappear pretty darned quickly.

    Excessive human reproduction is one of the reasons we're facing such a huge crisis. People who can't control their base urges inevitably strain the system to a breaking point.

    Smugness tends to slap people in the face when they're least expecting it.
     
  19. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    I agree, especially since I responded with a health care horror story right up front, but am still being asked if I have any to relate.
     
  20. Sdashiki macrumors 68040

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    i think you need to read up on the definition of a "do-not-resuscitate" order.

    it merely states you dont want to a ventilator, drugs or CPR to be done if your heart stops.

    i didnt read any details in your post about her "being kept alive" against her DNR. airflifting to a more adequate hospital is not heroic whatsoever. Its standard Hippcratic oath.


    Plus, a standing DNR is overridden in many cases by a spouse or child. (Terry Schiavo comes to mind, though definitely different circumstances)
     
  21. kalisphoenix macrumors 65816

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    And even when it's tragic, it's still somehow beautiful.
     
  22. pseudobrit macrumors 68040

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    I've heard of a case (close friend's relations) where an elderly and clearly dying woman was given multiple surgeries in her final few days of life for no logical reason. They did things like repeatedly insert and remove a feeding tube when the woman only had a day or two left naturally anyway. But the hospice got to add massively expensive services to the bill before she died. Nevermind she died suffering from the horrible pain the unnecessary procedures caused her.

    My own personal stories concern a billing snafu from a hospital stay some years ago and the months it took to straighten out (I've since gotten into the habit of waiting a few months to completely pay for hospital bills, since it seems every month you wait is another month where a piece of paperwork shuffles through telling you they've magically decided to cover an extra $200) and the time where I sat in a very quiet, nearly empty ER for three hours with blood dripping out of my face before anyone could see me.

    Or I could talk about the brief time I was on an HMO and the only covered doctor in the area was a real flake trying to steer me onto medications I had tried previously and found to be ineffective and not without serious side effects. He repeatedly insisted on me giving it another try and then he repeatedly insisted some more. I got very assertive and was kept on my regular (originally specialist-prescribed) medications, which were probably not as profitable on the formulary. ****ing bastards.
     
  23. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    A few months ago I had an outpatient procedure performed at a local hospital. I was instructed to report for blood work a few days prior to the procedure. So I did. The hospital failed to notice that they don't have an agreement with my insurance company for lab work (though they do for just about everything else, which is dumb all by itself). A few weeks later I began receiving bills in the mail from the hospital for services for which coverage had been refused by my insurance company as not authorized. Many phone calls to both my insurance company and the hospital were required to finally get them both to agree that the mistake was the hospital's and not mine.

    While all of this was going on, I received a rather startling bill from the local imaging lab for a scan they'd preformed months before. Again, a phone call was required to find that the bill was a "mistake."
     
  24. trebblekicked macrumors 6502a

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    "sob stories", huh?

    i've got plenty to tell, but don't think you're interested in hearing them, what with phrasing like that.
     
  25. srf4real macrumors 68030

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    I pay $1500 a year for healthcare, my employer pays the other 60% and I go to the doctor once a year for a check-up. I don't ever get sick enough to need a doctor, I don't have stupid accidents, I am obviously paying for somebody else's healthcare...

    however, I surf, and there are sharks... so I keep it around just in case.:cool:
     

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