My guess is that we didn't see the new TiBooks at Tokyo because they will come out in april or may with built in bluetooth. What do you guys think? I sold my computer and have been waiting to buy a new TiBook but didn't want to buy and something new come out next week. Anyway, my sister just got a new iMac and I think that I might get one of these instead, but I really want them to come out with new TiBooks.
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tough call
Placing a bet on when the next version of the ti becomes available leaves the odds in someone elses favor. A good sign of change is if they try to 'get rid' of older models before the new ones come out. If you see a special on the Ti powerbook at the Apple Store or online, I would wait. But nothing is happening now and it might not happen till MacWorld NY.
Placing a bet on when the next version of the ti becomes available leaves the odds in someone elses favor. A good sign of change is if they try to 'get rid' of older models before the new ones come out. If you see a special on the Ti powerbook at the Apple Store or online, I would wait. But nothing is happening now and it might not happen till MacWorld NY.
well im not going to say to wait becuase it is quite likley that you will be waiting until mwny which may be too far off for you, but there IS a lot going on with the powerbooks right now. apple is practically giving them away to their employees. refurbs are available through apple and thrid party vendors are throwing in everything but the kitchen sink in order to get rid of em. lots is happening. so if you buy now it should mean a deal for you. if you wait you might get lucky. so i would say depends on if you can afford to wait until july. if you are cool waiting that long then you might be pleasantly suprised with something earlier and something better.
If you're going to bet at all, I'd say MWNY. There's a lot of stuff that points to it being a big event with lots of converging upgrades, like all the planets aligning. 
PowerBook, iBook, PowerMac, and iMac could all easily be upgraded, not to mention a revised line of Studio Displays, and maybe some bluetooth? And maybe the all-encompasing "mystery" item. It could turn out to be a very interesting event.
PowerBook, iBook, PowerMac, and iMac could all easily be upgraded, not to mention a revised line of Studio Displays, and maybe some bluetooth? And maybe the all-encompasing "mystery" item. It could turn out to be a very interesting event.
Re: Powerbooks?
My guess is that we didn't see new TiBooks at Tokyo because they JUST friggin' updated them. 667s are five months old. 667s with combo drives are almost three months old. Seriously, how frequently do you expect them to update anyway?
We might see PowerBooks at MWNY. July is right at the 9-month point that seems to be Apple's typical product refresh rate, assuming you regard the combo drive models to be not so much a new release as finally adding the drive it should have had in October (I, for one, do see it that way).
My guess is that we didn't see new TiBooks at Tokyo because they JUST friggin' updated them. 667s are five months old. 667s with combo drives are almost three months old. Seriously, how frequently do you expect them to update anyway?
We might see PowerBooks at MWNY. July is right at the 9-month point that seems to be Apple's typical product refresh rate, assuming you regard the combo drive models to be not so much a new release as finally adding the drive it should have had in October (I, for one, do see it that way).
I just had to check
As you can see in the pic below, unfortunately the planets won't really be aligning for MWNY, but maybe Apple's four sectors will. The image was generated from Starry Night Pro on my TiPB. Pluto is off to the right, part of the large red triangle going off screen. Mercury in close to the sun, facing towards the screen.
As you can see in the pic below, unfortunately the planets won't really be aligning for MWNY, but maybe Apple's four sectors will. The image was generated from Starry Night Pro on my TiPB. Pluto is off to the right, part of the large red triangle going off screen. Mercury in close to the sun, facing towards the screen.
Color me angry!
I for one am very PO at the fact that there were NO power book upgrades or speed bumps.
Why:? Because I find it ridiculous that the high end powerbook is wasting away at 667 with a chip that you can bake a pie on!
This is a horrible error on the part of Apple.
yea 3 months ago there was a combo upgrade. That was a combo not a chip speed bump.
The Ti's needed that bump and anyone that doesnt think so doesnt know anything about computers, and i mean that. This is not emotion speaking.
They have the newer chips but for reasons that Ithink are obvious and ugly.
They choose to try to milk out some more from a overheated painfully slow machine.
I swear that the Dell is looking better everyday, i used to think that Jobs was damn smart, now i think that Dell has paid him off to destroy Apple.
Yes, i really do think that, i accept all flames and tirades to turn me away from my current anger because I was one of the most PRO apple guys you could met. but i hear the dark side calling me!
I for one am very PO at the fact that there were NO power book upgrades or speed bumps.
Why:? Because I find it ridiculous that the high end powerbook is wasting away at 667 with a chip that you can bake a pie on!
This is a horrible error on the part of Apple.
yea 3 months ago there was a combo upgrade. That was a combo not a chip speed bump.
The Ti's needed that bump and anyone that doesnt think so doesnt know anything about computers, and i mean that. This is not emotion speaking.
They have the newer chips but for reasons that Ithink are obvious and ugly.
They choose to try to milk out some more from a overheated painfully slow machine.
I swear that the Dell is looking better everyday, i used to think that Jobs was damn smart, now i think that Dell has paid him off to destroy Apple.
Yes, i really do think that, i accept all flames and tirades to turn me away from my current anger because I was one of the most PRO apple guys you could met. but i hear the dark side calling me!
im with gelfin on this one. they just updated them...etc...etc. so no one should be surprised that there werent any tibooks at tokyo.
dig it!
dig it!
Remember?
Hey Guys do you remember after MWSF that everyone was outraged that no new powermacs came out. Then we all read the article about how apple was going to try to update their products every 5 months and stagger the release dates so to keep their name floatin around. The TiBooks have been out for 5 months. Dell does not look better because after I sold my computer I used a Dell for three days and it crashed everyday. Anyway, my point is the powerbook is overpriced right now. The TiBook has always been better than the iMac and now it is not at all. That is why I think that they need to update it soon. Apple Rules!
Hey Guys do you remember after MWSF that everyone was outraged that no new powermacs came out. Then we all read the article about how apple was going to try to update their products every 5 months and stagger the release dates so to keep their name floatin around. The TiBooks have been out for 5 months. Dell does not look better because after I sold my computer I used a Dell for three days and it crashed everyday. Anyway, my point is the powerbook is overpriced right now. The TiBook has always been better than the iMac and now it is not at all. That is why I think that they need to update it soon. Apple Rules!
Re: Remember?
Dude, the rev b tibooks still kick the new imacs arse. *cough*speedbus*cough**cough*speedbus*cough**cough*speedbus*cough**cough*speedbus*cough**cough*speedbus*cough**cough*speedbus*cough**cough*speedbus*cough*
Dude, the rev b tibooks still kick the new imacs arse. *cough*speedbus*cough**cough*speedbus*cough**cough*speedbus*cough**cough*speedbus*cough**cough*speedbus*cough**cough*speedbus*cough**cough*speedbus*cough*
stupid huh
Actually ,TRilogic < i think that the most stupid thing I have ever read in a forum was your response. Claiming that what i posted was stupid without giving a reason. If what I said was too stupid to respond to then why did you bother.
Merely to point out how stupid it was without givinga clue, as to why.
Kinda like Jobs thinking that everyone drives cadillacs and that other cars are not for the elite. this kind of elitist dialogue is what will destroy Apple just as it almost did in the past. And made the PC the dominant platform.
The powerbook is incredbly overpriced, yet Jobs thinks that its of no consequence that money has little value to the masses that buy computers.
Or that the elite that buy Apple, have money to burn. as if the few elite on this earth will float an egotistical company. There are only so many wanna be actors in hollywood that buy apple to remain trendy to balance out the masses of common man that buy fords and hondas.
I realize that my stance may be aggressive, but this is my opinion.
I think that Apple has a great ability to shoot itself in the foot.
This is a big bullet!
Actually ,TRilogic < i think that the most stupid thing I have ever read in a forum was your response. Claiming that what i posted was stupid without giving a reason. If what I said was too stupid to respond to then why did you bother.
Merely to point out how stupid it was without givinga clue, as to why.
Kinda like Jobs thinking that everyone drives cadillacs and that other cars are not for the elite. this kind of elitist dialogue is what will destroy Apple just as it almost did in the past. And made the PC the dominant platform.
The powerbook is incredbly overpriced, yet Jobs thinks that its of no consequence that money has little value to the masses that buy computers.
Or that the elite that buy Apple, have money to burn. as if the few elite on this earth will float an egotistical company. There are only so many wanna be actors in hollywood that buy apple to remain trendy to balance out the masses of common man that buy fords and hondas.
I realize that my stance may be aggressive, but this is my opinion.
I think that Apple has a great ability to shoot itself in the foot.
This is a big bullet!
grokgod... i understand your frustration...but apple made the "i" line ....ibooks and imac...etc. etc... for those who cant afford the powerline....generally. so they are trying thier best to give everyone an oppurtunity to have a mac....while still remain with a high profit margin and continue with quality computers as oppose to the low priced pc but crappy quality.
Re: stupid huh
Grokgod
you got your points in what your saying about the TiBook etc. but that dell is paying s. jobs to destroy apple is a stupid thing to say.
Grokgod
you got your points in what your saying about the TiBook etc. but that dell is paying s. jobs to destroy apple is a stupid thing to say.
drifting way off topic......
I tend to agree with grokgod...........
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Also I cannot help[ but comment on this.....
"Dell does not look better because after I sold my computer I used a Dell for three days and it crashed everyday"
So what does that prove?My mac crashes everyday too.At LEAST once a day!
And this is on a fine tuned system.My finder loves to crash,usually for no apparent reason.Otherwise it's often flakey mac software like IE 5.1,or me experimenting with some shareware VST plugin,but usually it seems as though it crashes because I did not wait long enough for the last mouseclick to finish doing what it was doing.......I think memory and address errors tend to be my most common problem......,although there seems to be some cache (2mb per chip)related problems too?
No blue screen of death on my mac though,just the frigid screen of uslessness!---->=reset.
I tend to agree with grokgod...........
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Also I cannot help[ but comment on this.....
"Dell does not look better because after I sold my computer I used a Dell for three days and it crashed everyday"
So what does that prove?My mac crashes everyday too.At LEAST once a day!
And this is on a fine tuned system.My finder loves to crash,usually for no apparent reason.Otherwise it's often flakey mac software like IE 5.1,or me experimenting with some shareware VST plugin,but usually it seems as though it crashes because I did not wait long enough for the last mouseclick to finish doing what it was doing.......I think memory and address errors tend to be my most common problem......,although there seems to be some cache (2mb per chip)related problems too?
No blue screen of death on my mac though,just the frigid screen of uslessness!---->=reset.
Re: Re: I just had to check
duh!
but it would have been really freaky if the planets happened to be aligned for MWNY....
Originally posted by Hemingray
That was only an analogy...
duh!
but it would have been really freaky if the planets happened to be aligned for MWNY....
Jobs in bed with Dell and stupidity. Dantes three way!
My statement about Dell and Jobs was to illustrate my point. The recent events that Apple has perpetrated, as they have proceded to maim themselves. Destroying some of the most vaulable opportunities to come their way in years is SO inexplicable to me that I can find no other reasoning but the bizarre explanation that Jobs and Dell and a Horse are in bed performing circus acts for the Pigalle street porno houses in Paris.
Another illustration of this behavior and feel free to correct me.
Is that Apple has raised the prices on the highest end powermac to
$4099.00. Their reasoning is a 200% price increase on ram.
How gullible do they think we are, we all know the actual prices on the old pc133 ram, numerous Pc manufacturers are building low end units with Pc133 ram in it for children that need a computer for school and childrens games!
Not to mention that they surely have stock piled or locked ram prices.
I feel as thou I am being disrespected by Apple and treated as though I was
an idiot! Now maybe I am a fool, but I certainly dont enjoy being called one and paying for the humiliation!
This is what is making Dell seem better, the respectability and customer
dignity. I feel like i am being treated as though I was addicted to an item that the seller was abusing me. Because He can get away with it.
Red eye< makes a fine point and I agree, when i use Final Cut or Maya.
Oh boy its freeze city. Or its the freaking click and wait on my imac!
Its the cpu :Osx performace ratio that NEeds to be addressed.
THe fridig screen of uselessness, So well said!
Whats better Fridig uselessness or bluescreens.
I think the one that raped me less and laughed about it in my face.
Krossfyter< I see what your saying. yet. It strains my heart to see the powerbook fall behind and become a joke. I have worked on Mac for a long time and have fought against Pc's in my work to remain loyal and true to the Mac's abilitites.
Sadly it seems to me that dispite its recent advances in design, its disgusting philosophy in treating its customers is manipulating its decisions in hardware.
I believe that the only reason that the new Ti chip bumps were not brought out was to manipulate customers into buying the 667. At a time when it was obvious that market share and customer satisfaction were of paramount importance!
Another example was when Apple emailed me, telling me that I can cancell
my imac at any time. This was a mere day before it was shipped.
Never have I had a computer company ask me to cancel my purchase with such ego. I was dumbfounded!
This may well be the final Style vs Substance issue that will lay Mac's to rest.
I question Apple's integrity and my belief in it was one of the major reasons that I was commited to mac's.
My statement about Dell and Jobs was to illustrate my point. The recent events that Apple has perpetrated, as they have proceded to maim themselves. Destroying some of the most vaulable opportunities to come their way in years is SO inexplicable to me that I can find no other reasoning but the bizarre explanation that Jobs and Dell and a Horse are in bed performing circus acts for the Pigalle street porno houses in Paris.
Another illustration of this behavior and feel free to correct me.
Is that Apple has raised the prices on the highest end powermac to
$4099.00. Their reasoning is a 200% price increase on ram.
How gullible do they think we are, we all know the actual prices on the old pc133 ram, numerous Pc manufacturers are building low end units with Pc133 ram in it for children that need a computer for school and childrens games!
Not to mention that they surely have stock piled or locked ram prices.
I feel as thou I am being disrespected by Apple and treated as though I was
an idiot! Now maybe I am a fool, but I certainly dont enjoy being called one and paying for the humiliation!
This is what is making Dell seem better, the respectability and customer
dignity. I feel like i am being treated as though I was addicted to an item that the seller was abusing me. Because He can get away with it.
Red eye< makes a fine point and I agree, when i use Final Cut or Maya.
Oh boy its freeze city. Or its the freaking click and wait on my imac!
Its the cpu :Osx performace ratio that NEeds to be addressed.
THe fridig screen of uselessness, So well said!
Whats better Fridig uselessness or bluescreens.
I think the one that raped me less and laughed about it in my face.
Krossfyter< I see what your saying. yet. It strains my heart to see the powerbook fall behind and become a joke. I have worked on Mac for a long time and have fought against Pc's in my work to remain loyal and true to the Mac's abilitites.
Sadly it seems to me that dispite its recent advances in design, its disgusting philosophy in treating its customers is manipulating its decisions in hardware.
I believe that the only reason that the new Ti chip bumps were not brought out was to manipulate customers into buying the 667. At a time when it was obvious that market share and customer satisfaction were of paramount importance!
Another example was when Apple emailed me, telling me that I can cancell
my imac at any time. This was a mere day before it was shipped.
Never have I had a computer company ask me to cancel my purchase with such ego. I was dumbfounded!
This may well be the final Style vs Substance issue that will lay Mac's to rest.
I question Apple's integrity and my belief in it was one of the major reasons that I was commited to mac's.
Re: Jobs in bed with Dell and stupidity. Dantes three way!
Ummm, you do realize that this computer comes with 1.5 gigs of RAM, 2 80 gig hard drives, and a GeForce4 TITANIUM, right? Their standard dual 1GHz model is still 2999...
msykes
Ummm, you do realize that this computer comes with 1.5 gigs of RAM, 2 80 gig hard drives, and a GeForce4 TITANIUM, right? Their standard dual 1GHz model is still 2999...
msykes
msykes
Yes, I do realize the specifications. My contention was the fact that it has been raised from the price that it was a mere day ago by $300. if i recall correctly.
And that, i do not think that Pc133 ram justifies that price increase.
It had the same specs previously. I shutter to think what will happen to
prices when Apple finally instigates the 2 year old technology of DDR ram!
Oh thats when jobs realizes that high end cars have decent state of the art engines.
can you imagine a mercedes with a old single barrel carb from an model ford.
Is Jobs drinking booze, smokin ganga, shooting something?
Yes, I do realize the specifications. My contention was the fact that it has been raised from the price that it was a mere day ago by $300. if i recall correctly.
And that, i do not think that Pc133 ram justifies that price increase.
It had the same specs previously. I shutter to think what will happen to
prices when Apple finally instigates the 2 year old technology of DDR ram!
Oh thats when jobs realizes that high end cars have decent state of the art engines.
can you imagine a mercedes with a old single barrel carb from an model ford.
Is Jobs drinking booze, smokin ganga, shooting something?
a few things
1) it is incredibly frustrating that nothing was speed bumped. maybe that is being a greedy consumer, but damn, apple's entire line is really starting to get slow, the only thing that they have saving them is dual processors, they are still pretty slow. and when i run osx - my main operating system on my powerbook g3 bronze (or whatever - 400 mhz) it is painfully slow if i want to do anything more than take notes. my g4 450 is better, but even a dp 800 does not fly.
2) dells, however, are pieces of absolute ass. anyone 'threatening' to buy one, especially a laptop, has mastered shooting ones self in the foot. let me just suggest you get the 3 year coverage because they will be replacing just about every part at least once before your first year is up, or at least that is what has happened to the great majority of people at my school where dell was the recommended system.
1) it is incredibly frustrating that nothing was speed bumped. maybe that is being a greedy consumer, but damn, apple's entire line is really starting to get slow, the only thing that they have saving them is dual processors, they are still pretty slow. and when i run osx - my main operating system on my powerbook g3 bronze (or whatever - 400 mhz) it is painfully slow if i want to do anything more than take notes. my g4 450 is better, but even a dp 800 does not fly.
2) dells, however, are pieces of absolute ass. anyone 'threatening' to buy one, especially a laptop, has mastered shooting ones self in the foot. let me just suggest you get the 3 year coverage because they will be replacing just about every part at least once before your first year is up, or at least that is what has happened to the great majority of people at my school where dell was the recommended system.
good point
I think that you are correct in saying that buying a dell may be a self defeating prophecy! And that their models are prone to problems.
Yet is the only alterative a painfully slow Ti 667 with a boiling cpu and a screen, that is designed to be destroyed by finger oil from a keyboard designed to penetrate it>?
Oh lets not leave out the incredible expense of a blistering 4200 rpm HD.
I am thinking that a PC laptop like a Tosiba with Litestep installed to cover up the ugly Windoze!
I think that you are correct in saying that buying a dell may be a self defeating prophecy! And that their models are prone to problems.
Yet is the only alterative a painfully slow Ti 667 with a boiling cpu and a screen, that is designed to be destroyed by finger oil from a keyboard designed to penetrate it>?
Oh lets not leave out the incredible expense of a blistering 4200 rpm HD.
I am thinking that a PC laptop like a Tosiba with Litestep installed to cover up the ugly Windoze!
another point
one more thing:
i am not saying i am not frustrated. i am. i mean, i want to buy a new tower but really am just not impressed with the dual gigs enough that it warrants 3grand. i mean, i think if this were an os9 world, they would rock. but osx takes you back a few steps in terms of speed. and if i am shelling out that kind of money, i want something that feels really really fast. that said, jumping ship each time your platform lags behind a bit is really self-defeating. you will end up spending more in the long run hopping from platform to platform and when the new apple laptops come out with better design, better usability, a stable OS, and (hopefully) superior speed...you will want back in.
give it some time....
also, about crashing - my g3 laptop, though slow with osx, rarely -if ever- crashes. one thing i CAN say for osx is that what you gave up in speed, you get in stability (or at least some of it).
one more thing:
i am not saying i am not frustrated. i am. i mean, i want to buy a new tower but really am just not impressed with the dual gigs enough that it warrants 3grand. i mean, i think if this were an os9 world, they would rock. but osx takes you back a few steps in terms of speed. and if i am shelling out that kind of money, i want something that feels really really fast. that said, jumping ship each time your platform lags behind a bit is really self-defeating. you will end up spending more in the long run hopping from platform to platform and when the new apple laptops come out with better design, better usability, a stable OS, and (hopefully) superior speed...you will want back in.
give it some time....
also, about crashing - my g3 laptop, though slow with osx, rarely -if ever- crashes. one thing i CAN say for osx is that what you gave up in speed, you get in stability (or at least some of it).
Re: good point
I dunno, I thought I was just a little sore from the gym, but I guess it must be my TiBook.
What exactly are you doing with the 667 that seems slow anyway?
I dunno, I thought I was just a little sore from the gym, but I guess it must be my TiBook.
What exactly are you doing with the 667 that seems slow anyway?