Other Prediction time: the SE 2 will have the 8 camera (OÍS) and A11 silicon

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  1. TheSpanishArmada macrumors newbie

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    And Touch ID, and in place of a 3.5mm jack a beefier battery.
     
  2. Jesla macrumors 6502a

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  3. TheSpanishArmada thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Nah, for a product that is updated biannually that wouldn't make sense. The SE had the current state-of-the-art A9 silicon.
     
  4. BugeyeSTI macrumors 68020

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    Keep dreaming
     
  5. Relentless Power macrumors Penryn

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    Except it’s not been updated by bi-annually, and adding hardware features to the iPhone SE would also defeat the purpose of the price point. You have to remember, the SE was intended to be an entry-level priced iPhone for the consumer and to be affordable in other countries where smart phones are exorbitant.


    Per your thread title, it doesn’t mean the SE would be updated with A11 Bionic processor either. The A11 Bionic Processor in the iPhone X/8 Plays major role with the machine learning process with the neutral engine and the Animoji technology. It’s doubtful that iPhone SE would need anything that powerful, when the A10 Fusion would be more than sufficient. Again, factor the cost that would increase the price By including certain features for the SE, when the SE is not intended to be the most expensive iPhone.
     
  6. iOSUser7 macrumors 6502a

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    Why? Again, I’m just repeating what he said but the iPhone SE was released with what was the latest and most powerful chipset from Apple back in 2016. Why would the A11 chip be so impossible to put in a new iPhone SE that is released a few months before the next generation of Apple chipset get released?

    You know, this remind me of the rumors which claimed that the original iPhone SE would only get an A8 chip because there was no way Apple would put the latest and greatest in a budget phone, that it would cannibalize sales of the iPhone 6s blah blah blah. Today we all know how the story ended up being...
     
  7. Relentless Power macrumors Penryn

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    The A11 chip would not be impossible to put the new iPhone SE, that’s not really a point, however by including the new A11 bionic processor, that also increases the price As well, look at where the price point of the SE started at $400. Part of the goal of the iPhone SE was not meant just for a 4 inch form factor, but also is a worldwide global phone for countries where the smart phone is becoming increasingly expensive. I personally don’t think iPhone SE needs the A11 Bionic processor, where the A10 fusion is still incredibly powerful for a 4 inch iPhone. The A11 bionic processor is also responsible for the biometric features and augmented reality capabilities for the iPhone 8/X.
     
  8. Cakefish macrumors 6502a

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    Budget 2018 iPad = A10
    Budget 2018 iPhone = A10

    Makes the most sense to me.

    A budget iPhone that has a more powerful processor than the 10.5" iPad Pro seems very unlikely to me.
     
  9. joeblow7777 macrumors 603

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    The first SE launched with the then flagship A9. Besides, the A12 is going to debut in less than 6 months. The new SE having an A11 doesn’t seem out of the question to me.
     
  10. rui no onna macrumors 603

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    Iirc, the iPhone SE launched in the US with 16GB/$349 and 64GB/$449.
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    I think it could go either way. Particularly if Apple's planning on releasing an iPad Pro with A11X some time this year.

    2016 - iPhone SE A9
    2017 - iPad 5th gen A9
    2018 - iPad 6th gen A10
    2018 - iPhone SE2 A?
     
  11. JohnApples macrumors 65816

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    The iPhone SE originally launched in the US for $399 (16GB) and $499 (64GB).

    They later doubled the storage so that the SE cost $399 for the 32GB model and $499 for the 128GB model.

    Finally, when the X dropped, they took $50 off each model so that the 32GB model was priced at $349 and the 128GB model was priced at $449.
     
  12. BugeyeSTI macrumors 68020

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    This ^^^^
     
  13. Cakefish macrumors 6502a

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    It's not that it physically couldn't be done but it would immediately kill all appeal of the current iPad lineup for new buyers as well as potentially annoy iPad Pro 10.5" owners.
     
  14. JPack macrumors 68040

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    Because Apple works on a pricing strategy. You have to look at the context of the actions.

    When the SE was launched in March 2016, the product stack looked like this:

    $399 | SE
    $549 | 6
    $649 | 6 Plus
    $649 | 6s
    $749 | 6s Plus

    If Apple had put A8 in the SE, it would be too slow and expensive for $399.

    Today, Apple's price ladder is more mature and ranges $349 - $999. The "SE2" can satisfy entry-level customers and keep the price down. iPhone 7 and 8 act as mid-range.
     
  15. Relentless Power, Apr 21, 2018
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    Incorrect. In the U.S., The iPhone SE at full price launched in March 2016, it was retailed at full value of $400.00 for the 16GB model. I also paid the full MSRP $400.00 when it released in March 2016.

    Reference:

    https://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/iphone-se-1317464/review

    “At launch the iPhone SE price was $399 (£379, AU$679) for the 16GB model and $449 (£429, $AU749) if you choose the larger 64GB option - although things have changed since March 2016.


    Pre-orders for the new iPhone will start March 24, and it will go on sale a week later, starting at $399. That's the lowest price at which the company's ever introduced a new iPhone, and it's a sign of how the product is designed to draw new customers and snare developing markets in countries like China.


    ps://9to5mac.com/2016/03/21/iphone-se-pricing-mar-24-399/amp/


    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna542791
     
  16. Andres Cantu macrumors 68030

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    A11 on the SE 2 would make the still-sold 6/6s/7 look too bad.

    When the SE launched, Apple was only selling A8 and A9 iPhones (5s was cut).

    Camera? I would bet the 7 and not the 8’s, since otherwise it would have a batter camera than the newest iPad Pros.
     
  17. HarryWild macrumors 65816

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    Difference in cost is around $9! Surely Apple could make the SE-2 up $20 more to get their margins in line! I don't see the problem!
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    So?
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    I can see the SE-2 having 3GB LPDDR4 inside too, just like the plus model!
     
  18. osta.doc macrumors member

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    I see it that way too.
     
  19. Andres Cantu macrumors 68030

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    So, it would make little sense to offer such a powerful 4" device that could potentially cannibalize iPhone 6-8 sales in terms of performance. Besides, there's lots of other upgrades that the SE 2 could benefit from such as a 6s or newer wireless modem, Touch ID 2, 5MP FaceTime camera, etc.

    The 3GB of RAM is not gonna happen, not even the regular iPhone 8 has that much RAM. Only iPhones with dual-cameras get 3GB of RAM, for now.
     
  20. MyopicPaideia macrumors 68000

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    Don’t get your reasoning at all...

    Exactly as you say, the SE had an A9 in it when it launched, and the 6 and 6+ that it was sold alongside and priced under both had the A8. The flagship 6s and 6s+ had the A9 as well. How is this an argument against having the A11 this time around? It would be exactly the same scenario...

    Also, what do iPads have to do with the discussion at all? The high end 15” MacBook Pro has a quad core i7 processor and 16GB RAM...what does that have to do with my phone purchase again?

    They’ll probably drop the 6s and 6s+ from the line-up when they release the SE2, and the drop the 7 and probably even the 8 and 8+ when they release the 3 new models being rumored in the Fall. I feel the only reason the 6s series is still around is to give a cheap option for the + size phone...
     
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  22. Relentless Power macrumors Penryn

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    I highly doubt a four-inch iPhone would cannibalize sales of the iPhone 7/8, and we know a possible SE2 won’t cannibalize sales for the iPhone 6, being that’s discontinued, which the iPhone 6s is likely on its way out in September as well. I would also take into account A four inch iPhone will only appeal to a certain demographic, no matter how powerful it is, not everybody wants a small iPhone, so I don’t believe that has any contribution at all that would conflict with the iPhone 7 or 8.

    The origin of the SE when it launched in March 2016 was intended for two reasons, a global phone and an affordable entry priced level iPhone in a small form factor. It was Never intended to compete against the larger, more expensive iPhone models.
     
  23. rdy0329 macrumors 6502

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    A11 would do wonders with the battery life of SE2 tbh. if and when they put it in, it’ll be one of the most underrated smartphone of the year. Fingers crossed they use A11 esp with the size of the current battery they could cram in.

    A11 is to A10 where A9 is to A8.
     
  24. HarryWild macrumors 65816

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    You got the comparison mixed up! Only is mechanical and the other is subatomic wafer size electronics physics! I don't think you know a lot about either subject!
     

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