President Obama Proposes FREE Community College to Students Who Work For It

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    Yeah, as if that's ever gonna get through congress. It's in the best interest of Republicans to keep people ignorant and uneducated. Why would they pass a bill that would eat away at their own base? That would be like passing an immigration bill.
     
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    Obama can propose it, and while I approve of his idea and would love to see it expanded to colleges and universities, I would expect congress to put the kibosh on such a plan.
     
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    The more education the better. (coming from a republican ;) )
     
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    Yeah, perhaps this should have been done when his party had a complete majority in congress.
     
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    I think Obama can use the issue to illustrate the differences between R's & D's.

    I'd love to hear the reaction from Republicans in power.
     
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    True, but like the with ACA, those opposing it would scream "socialism", as they would see it as 'something for nothing', even though public school education is the same way.

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    True and true. This can be used as a new issue for Democrats to campaign on for the 2016 election.
     
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    I really like the idea as outlined in the linked site. Why not focus on what we like about it instead of guessing what those in opposition would say? I mean, what good does that serve anyway?
     
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    Because there's no point in being all excited about something that we know is a great idea but won't happen. Like universal healthcare. It's not a political reality right now. Why should I get myself all hyped up just to be disappointed? Those in opposition currently have a majority. I'll be beside myself if they actually pass this. It's like the idea of gay marriage in the 1980's, ain't happening!
     
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    Because they are the ones in power.

    They are the ones we elected to office.

    So what they think matters ... a lot.
     
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    But you got to admit ......... without the relentless push for gay marriage, it would have reached reality today. And that basically goes for most things.
     
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    That's true, gotta start somewhere. I for one think the Democrats should latch onto this cause and run with it.
     
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    Yup, education is definitely one topic that a party wants to be known for in a good light.

    I personally think school should be free at least up to your associate degree.
     
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    Hey, those Republicans in Tennessee already figured this out and passed this plan a year (or two-three?) ago.

    It all depends on HOW it is funded to ensure it will pass. I hope/assume it will be funded by diverting the PROFIT - yes, profit - earned on government issued student loans to fund this endeavor, making it revenue neutral to implement. I'm sure it's currently being used for some unrelated or less important program.

    As someone who went to a $35k/year out of state private university for my first four year degree (well, degrees) and is now taking classes at a $1,500/semester community college, the average in-class experience is negligible. Most of that fluff goes into the amazing amenities and perks that a four year university can provide for its students on campus life. I'm not saying there's no difference, but definitely not a $35k/year difference.

    Also, politics aside, I'm proud of this proposal with the hopes that it changes the mentality of seemingly all high school seniors, high school guidance counselors, and parents, that if you don't go to a traditional 4 year university, you're a failure. I was kind of a snotty dick who thought that at 18, but now I don't. Especially if you don't know what you want to do... why burn $10-40k/year at an expensive university for the same generic pre-reqs and entry level courses? Save money, get credits, and figure it out later. Visit friends on the weekends if you need those frat parties.
     
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    If the Feds pay for community college, what prevents the local communities, that support them, from raising tuition?
     
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    Looks like the fed is responsible for 3/4 of the funding, while states are for 1/4. So not a straight up federal program as mentioned. Sounds similar to Medicare/caid (forget which) expansion.

    Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015...ity-college-free-responsible-students-2-years
     
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    Grades. If you don't get good grades, you're kicked off the 'program'

    Edit: Ooooh this was sarcasm. Never mind.
     
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    I never had that mentality. Proud to say that I got my associates degree at my local community college. I knew from freshman year of high school that I wanted to go to community college after high school. My parents were nice enough to pay for it and it came out to a very negligible sum of money for them. Good stuff. I was never into the frat party scene anyway, beer is gross to me and why would I share my ganja with a bunch of moochers I don't even know? (god, im such a republican sometimes)
     
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    hope it passes. :)
     
  22. TimelessOne macrumors regular

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    Oh I expect them to. The GOP has been cutting school funding left and right. Here in Texas the state lost yet ANOTHER law suit with the school districts over school funding that they cut. They are forced to sue just to get their required funding. Even the GOP judges have gone after the state and said that the state is massively in the wrong. Called them unethical and pretty bad.

    Honestly I think this is a good thing that the Dems could just hammer on the GOP on.
     
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    Unfortunately I was, as was everyone at my school, a private college prep high school. 99% goes on to college - the 1% that doesn't is kids playing junior/semi-pro hockey somewhere.
     
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    Couldn't agree more. Universities in the USA are too focused on milking their students dry (often borrowed money) and then squandering it on non-academic pursuits like athletics programs. It's great for the athletics staff who can indulge in their hobby- but it's not education. It won't help the students repay their loans.

    Now, with the greater possibility of students defecting to essentially free colleges, the bloated universities will have to decide what business they're in and cut out the fluff. One can hope.
     
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