President Obama's 12/11/15 Oval office address

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  1. lostngone macrumors demi-god

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    Opps should read:
    "President Obama's 12/06/15 Oval office address"

    I guess he is going to talk about the terror threats here in the United States and how they are dealing with it. It has also been rumored that he is going discuss or even possibly enact through executive orders some type of new gun laws. :eek:

    Any thoughts on what you think he is going to talk about?
     
  2. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    Blah blah blah it's the guns fault blah blah blah more laws blah blah blah this does nit happen anywhere else blah blah blah more gun laws blah blah blah guns are evil blah blah blah gun owners are to blame blah blah blah NRA is evil blah blah blah inherited from bush
     
  3. .Andy macrumors 68030

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    Presumably he will come clean that all along he is a Muslim that was born in Kenya, he actually identifies as white, that he is banning all guns, that he hates success, he does abortions himself and the he was behind the global warming hoax. And that white middle class males are actually the most oppressed in society.
     
  4. FieldingMellish Suspended

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    Watch Obama orally dance all over the stage to prevent the words Muslim extremist terrorist from coming out.
     
  5. A.Goldberg macrumors 68000

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    The suspense is killing me :rolleyes:

    I don't expect much consolation from what he has to say. I feel his speech revolve entirely around guns when the problem is terrorism.

    I sense Obama is treating this situation as just another mass murder- the result of guns falling into the hands of an unstable person. While I don't disagree there could and should be stricter gun laws and that it is too easy for the wrong people to buy guns, that is not the really problem of San Bernardino.

    Farook and Melik were NOT on the no-fly list. As far as we know, there were no glaring pieces of evidence that should have prevented them from buying guns. Enacting a law banning no-fly list individuals from purchasing guns would have not prevented this attack. The problem of incident and the fear Americans have are the extremists of ISIS whose doctrine calls for and encourages the murder of Americans and our allies.

    Terrorists are criminals. They will find a way to execute their plans regardless of law. The Tsarniav brothers killed 3 and maimed hundreds with two bomb. Farook and Melik apparently had made bombs that thankfully were not used. The attackers in France, a country with extremely strict gun laws, were able to smuggle in guns and kill hundreds.

    Last year we had Zale Thompson yielding a Hatchet in NYC. And what about the Christmas Eve Underwear bomber? The Times Square car-bombing attempt? The 9/11 Hijackers used box cutters and jumbo-jets. The 1993 WTC attack... Bombs. Infact, bombings account of a significant proportion of past terrorist attacks in the US and abroad.

    I feel like it is somewhat disrepectful to the victims to polititicize this issue into gun control. The alleged executive order to ban no-fly listers from buying guns is a bill that had already been shut down in the Senate. The reason being, we are entitled to our constitutional rights. People on the no fly list have not been given due legal process. Therefore, this becomes a complicated issue, as good as it may sound.

    What I want to hear from President Obama is how the governments on directly dealing with ISIS abroad, at home, and what measures can be taken to prevent "lone wolf" radicalization and attacks within our own country. I do believe gun laws are important to look at, but in terms of terrorist attacks, especially by undetected individuals, they have little impact. With respect to domestic-terrorism guns are a small part of a much larger problem.

    For these reasons, the focus of a discussion on gun control has little merit in addressing the nation on the tradjety of San Bernadino.
     
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  7. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    My prediction is no matter what he says, the usual suspects with bitch and moan.
     
  8. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    My prediction is he's dealing with the backlash of the deadliest terror attack on American soil since 9/11 by deflecting this to an argument about guns. Right after advising US citizens that they had nothing to worry about via terror.
     
  9. FieldingMellish Suspended

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    My fellow Americans, I will be air-lifting tens of thousands of Muslims with which to populate throughout America. Please ignore the Muslim extremist terrorist cell that became active in San Bernardino. The Muslim co-workers you know now, and those you’ll soon be surrounded with, I guarantee will not be silent cell members out to kill you or your loved ones once they get the word.
     
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    I am just so tired of hearing about evil assault weapons. It looks so scary... it must be so deadly.

    Yes, access to guns is a big problem. More and better vetting processes must be put in place. There are people with guns that shouldn't have guns. I agree with all of that.

    But stop with the frigging assault on assault weapons. That won't solve any problems, and it's just stupid.
     
  11. Technarchy macrumors 603

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    The tap dancing around it will be hysterical.

    Obama has a pretty decent legacy overall but damn is he pooping the bed big time after Paris and now San Bernidino.
     
  12. zioxide macrumors 603

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    Just like your guys do when it comes to Christian/right-wing extremist terrorist?
     
  13. pdjudd macrumors 601

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    Oh no! All those people are either radical leftists :rolleyes: or mentally disturbed lone wolfs who have nothing to do with True Christianity(TM)

    (In case it wasn’t obvious, I am being sarcastic and this is not my opinion though it may in fact resemble some politicians opinions).

    In all serious, there is a good reason why we don’t use specific religious terms along with extremists terrorists - it tends to be offensive to members of a particular religious groups since it focus’ on the religion and not the person.
     
  14. zioxide macrumors 603

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    You forgot the "identify as a woman" part. ;)


    In all seriousness, you're spot on. The double standard from right wingers on this is pathetic.
     
  15. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    But it might well prevent other similar attacks. Not even preventing people on the no-fly list* from having guns is absurd.

    * I would be all in favour of making the no-fly list more transparent and have different grades so that people who are lesser risk can still fly but they get strip searched and their luggage is checked very carefully.

    As far as I understand the AR-15 is actually legal in the UK, so I agree with you.
     
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    Would saying these words magically solve the problem? Then why are you so uptight about wanting him to use these exact words? What difference does it make?
     
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    The words would probably show that he has a basic understanding of the problem, as far as I can tell at this point he's still delusioned enough to think these events are all isolated and non related to any specific religion.
     
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    No, I think Obama knows exactly what's going on. He's just trying to play the subtlety card, and not involve us in yet another war overseas.

    Though by this point, I think it's safe to say that the tactic isn't working out too well for him. Another military skirmish is all but inevitable. The question is no longer "if", but "how".
     
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    And then the other usual suspects will respond in kind. And then the first set of suspects will start all over again.

    Round and round we go.
     
  20. zin macrumors 6502

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    What is the problem? There are close to 3 million Muslim people living in the United States, and about the same living in the UK. I find it hard to accept that it is the religion itself that causes people to radicalise.
     
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    Step one is Obama needs to be able to articulate what the differences between these are.

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  22. pdqgp macrumors 68020

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    Wrong. He WANTS us in the war inside Syria. Again, the agenda is to get Assad out. Benghazi was him and Hillary moving weapons from Libya to the ISIS Fighters. When people realize the truth perhaps America will wake up. Until then make him look pimp and let him preach.
     
  23. mrkramer macrumors 603

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    Islam is just as easy to twist and use to motivate people to do evil things as any other religion or political ideology.

    As for what Obama says I'm guessing the language he uses to reference the terrorists will echo that of Bush in the days after 9/11, but due to changes in the Republican party in the last 8 years that will now be interpreted as an evil Socialist plot by Atheist Muslims to overthrow the US.
     
  24. pdqgp macrumors 68020

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    i hope so as it's not really some amazingly zombie killer weapon that for some reason everyone is so fearful of. .223 and .556 rounds are not military rounds nor is the AR-15 a military weapon.
     
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    Where the hell are you getting this from? First of all, there isn't any evidence that Benghazi was anything but a convenient terrorist target, and secondly, Obama's involvement in Syria has been half assed at best.
     

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