President Romney and 6% unemployment target

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  1. dogslobber macrumors 68020

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    Romney said in 2012 he'd get unemployment down to 6% by the end of his first term. He said Obama was a lame duck.

    Meanwhile:

    http://www.vox.com/2015/1/9/7522563/romney-unemployment-promise-6

    This proves we're lucky to have had Obama for two terms as he's righting the ship after two terms of reckless Republican policies that almost destroyed this country.

    In hindsight, Obama might be the best US President in the last 50 years. Better even than Clinton.
     
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    Agreed with this, at least looking from the outside (Europe) in. So I'm certainly ready to be corrected. First real President to start talking about guns in the way he does. To paraphrase one of his comments: "this doesn't happen in other civilised countries, there's a problem here and anybody else not in the US in can see this" - and yet most reactions to this seem to indicate "Obama's a Commie/Muslim, trying to take away muh freedoms."

    Plus the massive steps towards same-sex marriages, the big innovations to save the environment ... It's refreshing. Not sure why he's hated so much.
     
  4. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Unemployment numbers are fun because the side not in power loves to complain that the numbers are not real.

    However, so long as the formula for creating that figure hasn't changed, then it can be used to compare performance over time, even if it doesn't accurately portray the actual state of our [un]employed.
     
  5. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    Don't forget President Gingrich was going to get gas down below $2.50 a gallon.
     
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    [QUOTE="dogslobber, post: 22327344, member: 927249"In hindsight, Obama might be the best US President in the last 50 years. Better even than Clinton.[/QUOTE]

    Here we go again. First of all, your quote isn't complete or accurate. Romney said:

    "I can't possibly predict precisely what the unemployment rate would be at the end of one year. I can tell you that over a period of four years, by virtue of the policies that we put in place, we get the unemployment rate down to 6 percent, or perhaps a little lower," he said. "It depends in part upon the rate of growth for the globe, as well as what we are seeing here in the United States. But we get the rate down quite substantially. And frankly, the key is, we are going to show such job growth that there is going to be competition for employees again and wages will see the end of this decline."​

    To be precise, the U4 unemployment rate (official unemployment rate per the ILO definition occurs when people are without jobs and they have actively looked for work within the past four weeks + "discouraged workers", or those who have stopped looking for work because current economic conditions make them believe that no work is available for them): 6.1%, so unemployment is still over 6%. Bad Obama! Bad!

    And wage growth under Obama is still unhealthy. So Romney would no doubt have done better.

    As for Obama being the "best US President in the last 50 years", well...gales of derisive laughter:

    America has seen the results of the last seven disastrous years:
    • Poverty and homelessness for children: High
    • Poverty and unemployment for Blacks: High
    • Poverty and unemployment for Hispanics: High
    The increase in homelessness amongst children alone is tragic beyond belief:
    • 2,483,539 children experienced homelessness in the U.S. in 2013 (2.5 million).
    • This represents one in every 30 children in the U.S.
    • This is an historic high in the number of homeless children in the U.S.
    From 2012 to 2013, the number of children experiencing homelessness annually in the U.S.:
    • Increased by 8% nationally.
    • Increased in 31 states and the District of Columbia.
    • Increased by 10% or more in 13 states and the District of Columbia.
    Then there are the social issues like failing to prosecute illegals.

    Oh my!
     
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    The problem is that anti-intellectualism is running rampant in the US now, and social media gives all the stupid people an echo chamber that reinforces their views.

    Obama's done a lot under unprecedented opposition. If he had the level of compromise in his Congress that existed in the 90s, we would have seen even better improvement. There's only so much he can do when Congressional republicans continuously blocked bills to stimulate the economy, create jobs, invest in our infrastructure, etc.

    Congressional Republicans have done nothing the past 7 years but try to sabotage this country's recovery, and we've still made good progress in many areas. There is still much work to be done though.
     
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    America is going through an anti-intellectualism phase because we have the worst collection of intellectuals in our history--the ridiculous SJW protests occurring on our campuses are proof that the worst people to go to for help in becoming a contributing member of society are intellectuals.
     
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    lol.

    SJW clowns on twitter and stupid undergrads on college campuses aren't intellectuals. They're just clueless blowhards.
     
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    Who will graduate and become the next generation of our clueless intellectual class.
     
  11. zioxide macrumors 603

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    Nah, they'll graduate and then they'll be telling you "Welcome to Walmart" or asking "Do you want to supersize that?"

    The actual intellectuals in college today aren't wasting their time with these useless and ill-conceived "protests". They're too busy actually doing work to be wasting their time running around like clowns at these "protests".
     
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    Nah. These kids are going to school to get meaningless degrees in Gender studies, Human Geography, Music Therapy, and similar garbage. Your future intellectuals, in other words.
     
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    Uhh, did you even read my post? Those are the people who are going to be welcoming you to walmart. Real intellectuals don't study "gender studies", that's a crock of **** field.

    The real intellectuals are the ones studying subjects like applied math, where they're working on advanced cryptography to secure our nation's digital infrastructure, or the ones studying bio-med looking for new approaches to cure diseases like cancer. They're way too busy to be out wasting their time "protesting".
     
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    The GOP establishment are sure wishing they had him running now though, Trump is toxic to their party and is soaring back up in the polls. If he's the nominee they won't stand a chance even against the lamest Democratic opponent.
     
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    Show me where there's a standard for what constitutes a "real intellectual". Because I guarantee that Americans respect those who study advanced math. It's the Gender Studies grads who consider themselves to be intellectuals whom most Americans look at with the same distaste as they regard a smelly substance found on the heel of their shoe.
     
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    It's subjective. But yeah, I don't consider any clown who studies "gender studies" to be an intellectual. That's like one step up from basket weaving.
     
  17. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    As I said ... don't like the low unemployment rate? Choose a different measure to use in your argument.

    So long as we use one constant rate, then the comparison is valid over time. But change the formula, or cherry-pick how to measure things, and comparison becomes politicized and useless.
     
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    Ordinarily, U4 isn't relevant, but this so-called recovery has performed so poorly on the jobs front that many people have simply stopped looking for work.
     
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    Not only have millions stopped looking for work and have dropped off the count, but you have college graduates flipping burgers. In addition, I have a neighbor whose kids cannot find work and they stay with their mom in their early 30's. That's rampant and has gotten worse.
     
  20. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    So use the standard measurement that is relevant and comparable over time.

    btw ... found this chart. U4, U5, U6, whatever ... Obama's shown improvement.

    [​IMG]
     
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    U1?
     
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    What's your point? Are you trying to say with a straight face that Obama likes the low prices we have for gas right now?
     
  23. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    According to the chart, Obama's made improvements there as well.
     
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    I'm asking which of the "U"s you want to use as the standard.
     
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    But how is that the governments fault? Do you expect the government to give out jobs, I always thought America was about self-reliance.
    I always thought that REAL Americans pulled themselves up by the boot straps, no wussy hand outs real men like in the great depression.
    IMO you are blaming other people, because of your own failures that sound like your are trying to play the victim card there.
    What's wrong with flipping burgers, don't like it, find something else.
    America is meant to be an exceptional country, if that's true it means that you all failed.
    It's all whine whine whine.
     

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