President Trump Forum Popularity Poll March 2018

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Huntn, Mar 16, 2018.

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How do you feel about President Trump March 2018?

Poll closed Jun 16, 2018.
  1. Good Guy/Leader, Doing good things, victim of witch hunt, no Russian ties.

    3 vote(s)
    6.4%
  2. Good Guy/Leader, Doing good things, victim of witch hunt, no problem with Russian ties.

    1 vote(s)
    2.1%
  3. Mediocre Leader, victim of witch hunt, tells occasional fibs, but good heart, no Russian ties.

    1 vote(s)
    2.1%
  4. Mediocre Leader, victim of witch hunt, occasional fibs, but good heart, I'm ok Russian ties.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Terrible Leader, inept, unqualified, unstable, liar, appreciated Russia's help.

    14 vote(s)
    29.8%
  6. Terrible Leader, inept, unqualified, unstable, liar, unwitting Russian stooge.

    18 vote(s)
    38.3%
  7. Terrible Leader, has failed to do his job. See Post 1 for expanded description.

    10 vote(s)
    21.3%
  8. Other- Please explain in a post.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Huntn macrumors P6

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    Disclaimer: I'm anti-Trump, but in the limited number of poll questions, I tried to cover the spectrum of how people feel about President Trump.

    I heard an outstanding report on NPR- National Public Radio today concerning Russia's attempt to find U.S. Citizens who could be corrupted, trapped into a position of being blackmailed, or unwittingly recruited by a quid pro quo arrangement, we do something for you, you do something for us. Guess who was on the list? Donald Trump who has been actively seeking a project in Russia since the 1980s. He flew to Russia in the late 80s on a trip paid for by a company run by the KGB. Anyone here watch the Americans? That's a good primer on how to snag people to become your little helpers.

    Now keep in mind during the 2016 Presidential Campaign, in no uncertain terms Trump said he knew no Russian, had no Russian dealings, and had no potential Russian business deals, which from a guy who had actively been seeking a Trump Tower in Moscow for decades, and had Russians crawling all over his campaign, is a big, bold lie. Lately he has been firing people at an unhealthy rate. Apparently the goal is to be surrounded by nothing but yes men who won't try to constrain him. We are moving into negotiations with N.Korea with a a fired Secretary of State, and reportedly 6 Under Secretary positions unfilled. Trump/Tillerson are reported to have gutted the State Department as legions of career diplomat have been ousted or have quit.

    So how do you feel about President Trump?

    Choice 7: Failed to do his job, arguably a threat to the Country = Terrible Leader, inept, unqualified, unstable, liar, accepted or solicited help from Russia during campaign without condemning it, has spent his first year in office trying to hide his Russian relationships, his campaign/Administration was crawling with Russian agents, has failed to protect us from extensive Russian cyber intrusions into our infrastructure, our elections, and has turned a blind eye to all things Russia, when it comes to them messing with us. He just wants to be Vlad's friend, or you might ask, what do they have on him?

    Regarding the sanctions recently directed at Russia due to the poisoning of people in the UK, he has not condemned Russia, has not addressed the American People about the threat Russia represents, nor has he outlined a plan to push back against extensive Russian meddling.

    Not helping are his merry band of minions who would rather believe him, the prodigious liar, than all of the U.S. Intelligence entities combined who have repeatedly verbalized the threat Russia represents. His sanctions were a minimalist response from a guy who seems like he does not want to piss off Russia. He is not acting like the President, and with the help of Congressional Republicans, who initially gave lip service to, but just canned their investigation, this is clearly dereliction of duty for the sake of politics, all for a guy they could not stand before he was elected.
     
  2. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 604

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    My choice .....
    Terrible Leader, inept, unqualified, unstable, liar, unwitting Russian stooge.
     
  3. VulchR macrumors 68020

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    Mine as well. You should see how people outside of the US react to him. Scotland gave a collective :confused::confused::confused: when it was announced that he won.
     
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    This is a relevant article that doesn’t warrant its own thread. Some hotels for foreigners in the URSS had a designated floor/room for eavesdropping.
    I think it’s highly unlikely, considering the dodgy techniques of the Russians and that Trump has spent periods of time visiting Russia invited by unscrupulous oligarchs, that there isn’t a conpromising sex tape/whatever of him.

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/pay-no-attention-to-the-spies-on-the-23rd-floor-17885145/
     
  5. RootBeerMan macrumors 65816

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    I also chose this one:
    Terrible Leader, inept, unqualified, unstable, liar, unwitting Russian stooge.

    Difference is, I don't think he is an unwitting stooge. I think he's fully aware of his complicity.
     
  6. Huntn thread starter macrumors P6

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    That would move you into the next choice.
     
  7. Micky Do macrumors 68000

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    Maybe so, but given the way things seem to be going with investigations, could well be a witting stooge, who may or may not have been willing......

    Given his narcissism, I'm inclined to go with choice 5. However, maybe such a "really smart person" feels that help was more his entitlement, than something he should be appreciative of.
     
  8. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 604

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    I think even when he's willing, he still doesn't fully grasp what he's involved with. As long as he benefits, he doesn't even care to know.
     
  9. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Pretty surprising there are still no votes for anything other than terrible.
     
  10. shinji macrumors 65816

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    "Terrible Leader, inept, unqualified, unstable, liar, appreciated Russia's help."

     
  11. Plutonius macrumors 604

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    Not enough choices :).

    By good guy I'm assuming you mean a good person and bad guy a bad person.

    I don't believe that he's a good person much of the time but I believe that he's an excellent leader.

    For most people, it depends on their ideology. If you like what he's doing, he's a good leader. If you don't like what he's doing, he's a poor leader.
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    Why bother :). Is it going to change people's minds ?
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    It's not surprising since Europe for the most part is way left of the USA.
     
  12. Huntn, Mar 17, 2018
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    I have no clue how you can reach the conclusion he's a good leader. For starters look at his White House and the parts of government Trump has direct control over. It's a huge mess the most disarray in the White House for as long as I can remember. Even Nixon when he was going down seemed to have a better organized operation than Donnie. And look at his focus, my gosh, when he's not bullying others who he feels threatened by, not pissing off our allies, not playing tough with the N.Korean, while ignoring the Russians, all his focus is on himself and telling lies to make himself feel better, as if we are too stupid to figure him out. :oops:
     
  13. bopajuice, Mar 17, 2018
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    On my iPhone I review the Top Stories each morning. Seems like just about every story has something to do with Trump lying, firing someone, one of his controversial tweets, how his decisions are hurting other countries, how we are seen as losing our place in the world, how our environment is being ignored, how tax breaks benefit the wealthy, how he comes up with cute names for all the people he targets, how his family and his associates are circumventing our constitution, how he holds a rally to talk about himself and shame other people. How his party decides their Russian probe has concluded, with dozens of witnesses and leads never pursued. The list is endless and keeps coming every day. Every day...

    Now I read about banking regulations being reversed, climate change being omitted from government papers, net neutrality being erased, it just does not end. Talk show hosts being hired to high level positions, on and on. It get's depressing.

    Is it really all about coal jobs and building a wall?
     
  14. Micky Do macrumors 68000

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    Nope...... Ultimately it's all about The Donald.
     
  15. Zenithal macrumors 604

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    I find it more dangerous he's easily swayed. Chucky Chuck has demonstrated this in the past and practically blurted it out on a night show a month or two ago. Whoever's got the last word with DJT gets their way.
     
  16. Huntn, Mar 17, 2018
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    Hey were are all the "good guy" poll responses I was expecting from this forum??

    Coal Job talk was to only prey on the hopeless, who are no more hopeful now that Donnie has lied to them about bringing coal back.
     
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    And thats my point. Are that many people so intent on building a wall and getting their coal jobs back that they are willing to overlook all of his other destructive behaviors for extended periods of time? I can't help but think many of his policies and actions also hurt members of his own party. Is it a turn the other cheek sort of thing?
     
  18. Huntn thread starter macrumors P6

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    There are not that many people vested in coal jobs, nor do I think care about the wall. I think it's more about the perception that our broken team is still winning in whatever way we can scrape by, while all of our values be damned.
     
  19. Zenithal macrumors 604

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    The only thing he's good for is yapping like a sick dog.

    History won't be kind to the GOP or this administration. The old saying "Winners get to write history" is a complete ****ing farce in today's world. Everything that's been said and posted to Twitter has been posted across the web. Without destroying the entire internet, nothing will be lost. The days of getting to write what you want when you're in power died a long time ago.
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    Recent elections beg to differ. All in all, it's really working class, blue collar Americans who are struggling to get by who hurt themselves more voting for this neanderthal than they would have another Democrat. As long as their neighbor suffers or some freeloader (forgetting they get gubmint benefits, too) suffers, then it's good for them, even if they suffer, too.
     
  20. Huntn, Mar 18, 2018
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    My previous statement was referencing the party heiarchy who have been twisted into these Trump priorities. There are two ways to look at it, either they feel trapped and they have no moral fiber, or are already ok with fooling people.

    For the GOP, Trump is just more exaggerated par for the course. For several decades now, they have already taken spinning to the point of lying. When Trump came along, although I've said multiple times, they (the party hierarchy) hated his guts when he was a candidate, but now whatever dim view of an advantage he seems to represent, they have given up the pretense of spinning, for flat out lieing. Look at what Ryan, that weasel said about Lamb’s win in Pennsylvania, (he ran with Republican values) just a blatant attempt to comfort his base to keep them from losing their minds.

    Now as far as blue class workers, we want to think of them as having working class values and wisdom based on realism. Well, with the votes for Trump that put him over the top, I’d say for those who voted for him, quite a few apparantly, that they appear to suffer from gullibility, and their reputation for possessing working class wisdom took a huge hit.

    And if you want to get really frustrated, think about the half of our country that supports bankrupt leadership. I’ll acknowledge in advance that the other half views liberalism as bankrupt, excet I have one unrefutable truth, conservatism is about ME, and liberalism is about WE, although back in the days when the GOP was still normal (1960s), they had much more empathy for the poor and those who suffer and actually supported the idea of universal health care, because it made sense. What vestiges of decency in that party have all been ejected as too liberal for their tastes.

    Since it has not shown up in the poll, is there anyone in this forum who actually believes Trump is a honest, hard working, stabile, decent human being, who cares about his country? Come on, I dare you to admit it! :)
     
  21. Zenithal macrumors 604

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    While Ryan is a dumbass, he did make a good point. Except he's wrong. As usual. The problem with Democrats was they always ran a candidate that was this or that. Whether it was a guy who grew up poor and worked his way up or some conservative girl who married a poor guy who ended up becoming President and became a liberal along the way. Though, in the latter case, she made herself unlikable for various reasons.

    I haven't kept up with Lamb's victory but what I gather was he's what you guys need in a leader. Someone young, who isn't out of touch with reality and isn't pushing far left bull. I'd call him a classic Democrat, or what you'd call a moderate these days. He's what the DNC needs. And, arguably, my own party needs a damn moderate, and needs to expunge the slime that's attached the last thirty years.

    I see a few things right now. He comes from a political family, which isn't bad. He'll probably be smeared if he goes for a POTUS run in 2025. He's Catholic and unmarried at 33. Some in the GOP think he's really a Republican, but give it less than 10 years and they'll have a whole new spin on him provided he doesn't crap the bed when it comes to politics.
     
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    For Hillary, we probably disagree, because it must be considered that she was the victim of a decades long smear campaign, all with the intent of denying her the Presidency, that added to the dislike directed at her. They turned her into a Boogeywoman. She would have been a thousand times better than Trump. But the reality, if she had been elected, the country would continue to be placed on the back burner, while ALL of the GOP’s energy would have been directed at DESTROYING her, even worse than what they did to Obama which was sick and pathetic.

    Now when you reference your party, Republicans? If so, we are still talking and not screaming at each other? ;) If not, sorry for my confusion. The GOP has done their best and I believe they have succeeded in driving out all of the moderates. Remember when they used to talk about their big tent? :oops:
     
  23. Zenithal macrumors 604

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    The issues with her began before Bill ran for POTUS the first time. A lot of people reference here 92-94 healthcare campaign as the starting point of the smear, even herself, but some of us remember long before then. However, she and the daughter weren't immune to criticism by both Democrats and Republicans in those days. Times change.

    What goes up must come down, and what goes down rebounds. It says a lot when my party outspends Democrats multiple times over in red states and still lose. This was never the case up until four or five years ago. It's bizarre to me. Some states like Oklahoma are learning from their mistakes when it comes to economical decisions that don't make sense and were only included in the GOP ideology with the horse rider. Some states like Indiana are still reeling from Pence's errors, and are angry about Carrier.
     
  24. Huntn, Mar 18, 2018
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    This is the bottom line for ALL political parties- BE HONEST AND TELL THE TRUTH, whatever it is you want to accomplish, because if you mislead, as with all thing in life, it will eventually catch up with you.

    This last tax cut, for example was a disgrace, but typical for a Party who has vested themselves in the wealthy at the expense of average citizens. Why give welfare to the demographic who least needs the help? The values of feed the rich and starve the poor has no place in an advanced society. Besides, Greed is described as a sin in the Bible.
     
  25. Zenithal macrumors 604

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    I can't really comment on that without being a hypocrite, so I won't.

    I will, however, address your first point. Bingo. So much acting and deceit. Say what's on your mind. Not like DJT, heaven forbid no. Don't intentionally sugar coat or lie just to win. Also, don't do stupid stuff as a politician in private either. It'll get out, like Ted Cruz's porn tweet. Or Rubio's rumored thumb-biting habit when he's nervous.
     

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