Presidential Candidates Graded on Tech Issues

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  1. vrDrew macrumors 65816

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    Startup lobbying firm Engine rated the 2016 Presidential Candidates on their positions on such tech-centric issues as Net Neutrality;IP; privacy and security.

    Hillary Clinton came out on top,earning a B+. Donald Trump drew straight Fs. (Orange, racist, and stupid is no way to go through life, Donnie...)

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    Read the whole report here.
     
  2. Snoopy4 macrumors 6502a

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    Uses personal email for government business. Gets a B- for privacy and security. Analysis fail.

    Your report you found is useless and false.
     
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    She probably got good advice from someone at some point.

    ...probably after the whole email thing had already gone down.
     
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    vrDrew probably just wanted to highlight the Frump in the room.;)
     
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    Be careful, or Trump will call Bill Gates and have him delete this thread from the Internet.
     
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    Charges tend to not stick when a Clinton is involved....it works.

    Privacy rates it. Why the server. She know that at least exchange admins have full access as needed. And run backups for set times. full destruction of data would also be the tape backups of the mail store servers. And the e-mail archive systems the DoS would use. We exchange people tend to backup in layers. None of this in her control not on private servers.

    But will say yeah this is harsh to trump. he rates very high privacy. Land deals,, casinos, many business ventures in areas that attract certain peoples attentions and we have no links whatsoever of misdeeds. Not even a shady deal to get a liquor license or building permit when held up in red tape.

    Chance he hasn't been on friendly terms or used the assistance of at least the mob...not very likely. A man swims in a pool of crap and comes out squeaky clean...something is not adding up right really.
     
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    I don't think you really understand the Hillary investigation(s) that are going on right now concerning the private server that Hillary and her staff used in her NJ home. Her whole staff did not use .gov administration server emails, only the private server which is unprecedented in US history.

    Highly classified emails (top secret within top secret) that cannot be shown have been found (22), and over 2000 classified emails also found (secret to top secret) , many being transmitted between the Clinton Foundation and her using the private server.

    She is being investigated criminally by the FBI (over 100 agents) for violation of her signed govt non-disclosure, also under the espionage act, multiple violations of multiple agencies, corruption and racketeering for selling state secrets for cash to foreign countries through the Clinton Foundation, obstruction of justice, etc.. etc..

    from misdemeanors, to felonies for each instance of emails, if indicted and found guilty would land her in jail for life, as well as her staff of almost 8 so far.. who all now have been subpoenea'd, and the server tech who built it for her now having an immunity deal with the FBI.

    Hillary's excuse of *they were not marked classified when they were sent* is lame as she as secretary of state is top dog to classify any document, and the content being classified marked or not does not make any difference at all. It is the content that makes a document or email classified not the stamp - under the laws.

    As far as nothing sticks to Clintons has been true for decades. But these investigations span and affect multiple agencies from state dept, FBI, CIA, NSA, that if the dept. of justice does not indict, there will be a sh.t storm with all the intelligence agencies in the USA with resignations and public denouncing of no rule of law in the USA.

    Trump having used the mob for cement and buildings..lol. You do realize that in the 1980's, 90's that the *mob* owned the main licensed in NY cement business? The City and state of NY used the same outfit, as well as all the other builders - something the press seems to *omit* from their accusation - weak !.
     
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    Those emails were retroactively marked classified. They weren't when sent by Clinton. How can you claim she sent secret information when it wasn't even secret when she sent it? Many of these contents have been retroactively classified by other government departments.

    It is a major contention as to whether she sent or received mail that was, and remained, classified at the time. That is part of the FBI inquiry.

    Your claim that Clinton is under criminal investigation is false. She was never placed under formal investigation by the FBI. The FBI is conducting a broad inquiry, not a criminal investigation at this time.
     
  10. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    There you go again. They're not interested in pesky facts.
     
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    I'm not sure why you guys keep buying the Clinton statements that the emails were not "marked classified" when it has already been clarified that virtually NONE of the classified emails are actually marked classified. It's the content that makes them classified, not any sort of marking.

    Clinton of course knows this, but when she speaks the truthful statement that none of the emails were marked classified, it is purely to mislead....

    Of the more than 2000 classified emails identified so far, Clinton authored more than 100 of them, and sent highly sensitive, classified information.

    Once the 32000 emails she attempted to delete are added to the list, you can expect the number to climb significantly higher.

    The Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement SF-312 that all government employees who work with sensitive materials sign, including Clinton, makes these facts perfectly clear.
     
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    Can someone tell me if she was forwarding .gov email to .com or did they set up a .gov mail server in her house?

    I can't find anything that talks about the actual setup.
     
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    Ah, another biased media source outs itself.

    Hillary thinks you wipe a server's memory with a dust rag.

    And she barks like a dog.

    Fail.
     
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    Especially if it does not support your man... :rolleyes:
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    And when are you guys going to acknowledge that what she did was an accepted standard at the time she and others who served before her as SoS? Never, because it does not support your agenda.
     
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    I think it was just a bog standard email server setup with no forwarding involved. The wiki page seems to agree and states the domain name was clintonemail.com.
     
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    Accepted by whom?

    What Hillary did was NOT standard practice, and she had to coerce an IT specialist to assist her. Thankfully he has at least partial immunity so we will get at least most of the truth out of him.

    When Hillary says things like "Powell had his own email server," it's just another lie. He had a private email account for non classified emails at a third party email provider. She knows the difference and is deflecting like she always does, with half-truths and out-and-out lies.

    However, if ANY government employee at ANY LEVEL has violated security policies with classified emails being kept outside of US Government controlled severs and accounts, I completely support their being prosecuted to the full extent of the law. That includes Powell and Rice if they are found guilty.

    It's not a political issue with me, it's a national security issue.
     
  17. vrDrew thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Why can't you address the issues?

    This isn't about Hillary Clinton's verbal tics. Its not about Donald Trump's combover. Its about the Presidential Candidate's stands on various technology issues. Things that are likely to be very important to our economy; our privacy; security; and job prospects in the coming years.

    Maybe you disagree with Hillary Clinton's stand on Intellectual Property rights or STEM education. Fine - then say so. I can respect disagreement on HB1 visas or Net Neutrality or whatever.

    But turning every thread into a a childish name-calling and petty personal slights? Thats not disrespectful to the candidates. Its disrespectful to the participants in this forum.
     
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    Obama proposes to destroy safe encryption, eliminate privacy, and grant the government a back door into every American's electronic device and Hillary supports him. That is the only tech issue I care about and Hillary gets an "F-" from me.
     
  19. vrDrew thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Have you seen what Donald Trump has to say on the issue? He not only doesn't appear to understand the issues involved; he furthermore threatens to force Apple (and presumably every other tech company in America) into assembling their products in the most economically unfeasible manner imaginable.

    The backdoor encryption issue is a contentious one. One where I - like you - disagree with the stance taken by the Obama Administration. But it is a complicated issue, one without readily agreeable easy answers. One that requires an understanding of the hazards faced by law enforcement; and a respect for the privacy of ordinary Americans.
     
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    I have and he's wrong. However, our sitting president has declared war on privacy, encryption, and the 4th Amendment. That concerns me more than a bombastic bloviating buffoon who will never be president.
     
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    Being a bit generous to Kasich as well. Not sure he deserves a B- in eduation, and B in broadband. His policies have been very anti-teacher. As to broadband, he has supported expanding fiber and municipal broadband, but so does nothing to fund those programs.
     
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    No it's really easy, privacy and encryption are very black and white. The FBI wants to inject nuance where that is none
     
  23. vrDrew thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Maybe so. As I mentioned earlier, I disagree with the position the Obama Administration has taken on iPhone encryption and backdoors.

    But we need to have a thorough understanding of the full ramifications of what we decide to do. We don't get to sit in the classified briefings where top CIA and NSA official tell the President about their efforts to penetrate espionage and terrorist organizations. We don't hear from law enforcement officers of their inability to gather vital evidence.

    Think back to the bin Laden raid. The US was able to gather a great deal of valuable information from bin Laden's dusty laptops. We were able to show the world his habit of browsing porn; and his pitiful attempts to cobble together recruitment videos. Was that vital to our war on al-Quaeda? I don't know. But we need to acknowledge the fact that if that information had been on an encrypted iPhone we would never have discovered it.

    The American people have a right to privacy in their devices. They have a right to be free from hacking and scams. And they have a right to expect their Government will do everything it can to penetrate and disrupt the terrorist and criminal conspiracies that pose a real - if limited - threat to our safety and security. But we have to make the decision on how we balance those two competing interests on the basis of knowledge and understanding.
     
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    Away with your blarney! The "issues" addressed by your source consist of giving Hillary the top spot because she repeated a talking point. No policy initiatives on her part; just mouthing some words. So I pointed out that she doesn't have a clue about tech, ergo the source was biased.
     
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    Too bad your political persuasions renders neutral analysis null and void.

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