Presidential material predictor: How did Hillary do as Secretary of State?

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    The Secretary of State, appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate, is the President's chief foreign affairs adviser. The Secretary carries out the President's foreign policies through the State Department and the Foreign Service of the United States.

    Among Hillary’s actual responsibilities to carry out and set a record was that of Secretary of State.

    What did Hillary do in that position that was noteworthy?

    Was America and the world better off at the end of Hillary's term as Secretary of State?
     
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    Well, she was better at Secretary of State than Trump was at running a university. Or an airline. Or a casino. Or a mail order steak company.
     
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    Well does body count come into this equation? How many deaths was Trump responsible for at Trump University?
     
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    She successfully created an Islamist snake pit in Libya while promoting the offshoring of American jobs with TPP.
     
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    Ken Blackwell wrote, “Madame Secretary is not just a disaster throughout the Mideast. Her Russian policy has been a catastrophe.”
     
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    Gonna have to tone down this sexist rhetoric or else someone is going to get offended.
     
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    Anyone that is responsible for taking a beloved leader, like Ghadaffi, and replacing him with Isis like militants deserves to rot in hell. Go and look at Libya under Ghadaffi, and under Isis.
     
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    It is more or less than Reagan's responsibility for Beirut? Don't give him a free pardon, or give her one, say "Tie game" and grin, and move on.
     
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    Difference is Reagan is dead and Hillary wants to be president.
     
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    Hillary as SecState? How about F for Fail? Not just the idiocies of the Arab Spring, but the earlier-begun ongoing messes in Ukraine and Syria.

    "We came, we saw, he died." is a much harsher attitude than Dubya's "Bring it on!". Her milk of human kindness is curdled.

    Aside for the contempt for national security as shown by this email scandal, there's the corruption of signing off to approve arms deals to governmental contributors to the Clinton "charity".
     
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    She should update it to "we came , we saw, they died ". The tens of thousands killed after the fall of Ghadaffi. Any moron could see that after Ghadaffi there would be chaos and violence. What happened to the pro democracy activist fighting to oust Ghadaffi?
     
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    Here’s a blogger that assembled a litany of Hillary accomplishments as Secretary of State. Could it be that all of these are true? I’m not sure all these are all Hillary, because some appear to be the President’s failures, but do you think at least 50% are Hillary? It appears that even one or two of these things are damnable evidence of failure, sufficiently so, as to question Hillary’s mettle for higher office.

    Though this paragraph appears to be troubling enough:

    Blogger wrote:

    “However, it would just be easier to ask Hillary what her biggest accomplishment was as Secretary of State. Hillary answered, “My accomplishments as Secretary of State? Well, I’m glad you asked! My proudest accomplishment in which I take the most pride, mostly because of the opposition it faced early on, you know… the remnants of prior situations and mindsets that were too narrowly focused in a manner whereby they may have overlooked the bigger picture and we didn’t do that and I’m proud of that. Very proud. I would say that’s a major accomplishment.””

    The list of failures is here:

    http://www.martinoauthor.com/hillary-clintons-failures/
     
  14. caesarp, Jun 5, 2016
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    We can't judge a secretary of state. As we are not privy to the inner machinations of the state department or what the orders given to her by the President were. Basically the Sec State is just a political face for the state department. I don't think you can rate them realistically.
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    What about this part of the job don't you understand: "The Secretary carries out the President's foreign policies"

    She isn't the ultimate decider on foreign policy. Just the political front person. Geez people. You think she's out there deciding what happens and pulling triggers and dropping bombs? Its a front person for the Prez. That's it.
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    Reagan tried to take him out too. Geez. You people are so stuck in a fox news bubble.
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    Right -- and Bush/Cheney should have known that in Iraq too -- right? All the sudden you deeply care about the lives of Libyans? Weren't you cheering when Reagan tried to take out Ghadaffi?
     
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    Hillary did that? I didn't realize Hillary had any control over military tactics.
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    Well, since Trump has zero political experience, you know the obvious answer. But, with the amount he talks about bombing families and punching people in the face, I have no doubt that his body count would be pretty damn high.
     
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    When Reagan tried to take out Ghadaffi it was in response to an act of international terrorism that took the lives of US citizens on a US airliner bound for Detroit, it was not a preemptive strike to intervene in a domestic matter of another sovereign nation.
     
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    She had the courage to sleep through "the 3AM call" resulting in a bloody massacre that irreparably harmed the families of the deceased.

    She showed masterful self control as she lied to the world about the events in Benghazi.

    Cold, clever and soulless, she boasted "what difference does it make" to the cheers of her devotees. An example of the power she has over millions of otherwise intelligent people, like some here in the forum, she has them hoodwinked and craving more.

    She's grown the power and influence of the Clinton Machine, an impressive war chest of cash.

    Faking her way through many campaign appearances, masquerading as a caring law abiding "woman" running for the highest office in the US, she's conned tens of millions.

    Cunning, determined and ruthlessly experienced in taking out her adversaries, if she makes it to the Coronation, the USA will suffer immensely.
     
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    She supported the tactics
     
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    I would post an accomplishment, but I cannot think of any. Ever. Like in her life ever.

    Well, okay....She gave birth once, no doubt to further her political career so she didn't come of as a total cold hearted bitch. That and she was pretty good at destroying the lives of her husbands conquests. Other than that, I got nothing.
     
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    So did the statute of limitations expire on those U.S. lives he took? Maybe they finished the job? Reagan trying to take him out is still intervening in a sovereign nation.

    So predictable -- its okay for Reagan to try to assassinate a leader (which I think was illegal). But bad when a democratic administration does something similar. You guys are soooo in the fox bubble its laughable.
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    I don't think a sec of state is responsible for any body counts anywhere. that can only fall on the military and/or the commander in chief. A sec of state only works at the pleasure of the President. She does not control the military or make military decisions. Nor are her thoughts or opinions law. Advice can be given, but it is up to those above her to choose what to do and to implement any actions.

    Do you guys understand the role of Sec of State? I don't think you do. She's not dictator of the world or even the U.S.
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    Yeah, the mess of African countries and the Mideast is all the fault of a Sec of State? You guys don't understand how our country works.

    To quote another poster in another thread:

    "Do you people think that the history of the last couple thousand years of human existence has been one of peace; harmony; plenty and justice? And that, some time around early 2009 it started getting screwed up because Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton started calling the shots on America's foreign policy.

    Are you people really that stupid? Are you really that partisan? Has Fox News totally addled whatever brain cells the oxycontin and Bud Light hasn't already killed off?

    Bad things happen in the world. Terrible, awful tragedies. Skipping over two world wars; Korea; Vietnam; the Chinese Civil War; the Russian Revolution; several famines. Lets just take a look at what happened in the last 25 years, shall we?

    We had the Balkan Wars. Where the peoples of the former Yugoslavia tried their level best to exterminate each other. We had the Rwandan genocide. We had an ongoing civil war in Somalia. Another in Ossetia. Algeria. We've had the Kurds fighting the Turks. Tamil Tigers fighting in India. Another one in Congo.

    And I'm sure I'm overlooking dozens more.

    And then there is the huge, stinking mess that was the invasion and occupation of Iraq. Courtesy of George W. Bush; Dick Cheney; and the rest of the neocon idiocracy that are still phoning into the Sean Hannity show. The same filthy human maggots that are guzzling scotch by the quart and holding their noses as they quietly "endorse" Donald Trump for President.

    Probably the best part of a quarter million dead Iraqis. Five thousand dead, and another 20,000 maimed US troops. A couple of trillion dollars down the drain.

    And the usual suspects - and you know who you are - have the unmitigated gall to accuse Barack Obama of being a "war monger"? "
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    What's she supposed to do -- go against the administration? You don't understand the job - do you?
     
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    Forbes Magazine did an article entitled, “Hillary Can't Name Top Accomplishment As Secretary of State”

    June 10, 2014:
    Last night, Diane Sawyer asked Hillary Clinton a question that should’ve come as no surprise: What significant things did she accomplish during her four years as Secretary of State? What’s surprising is that Hillary didn’t even attempt to answer the question. She just changed the subject.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidad...plishment-as-secretary-of-state/#184bb64346a4
     
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    And what did Condeleeza Rice accomplish; what do any of them "accomplish". The world's a mess, they do what they can and it will still be a mess.
     
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    Well, then I guess we're doomed either way. I cannot imagine what a Trump presidency would mean. At least I know what a Hillary presidency is.
     
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    War death destruction unopposed . That's what Hillary means
     
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    Probably quite a few suicides.

    How is Hilary responsible for Lybia?
     

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