private and prep schools

Discussion in 'Community' started by jefhatfield, May 12, 2002.

  1. jefhatfield Retired


    Jul 9, 2000
    since so many of you are in middle school, junior high, high school, and college, do you think that private middle/high schools and private colleges are better all around than public middle/high schools and colleges?

    does one get what they pay for?

    do the upper middle class and rich have an unfair advantage?
  2. whfsdude macrumors 6502a

    Jan 20, 2002
    Washington DC USA
    Ok, I was born with dyslexia and guess what DC pay$ the school 32,000 a year for me to go there :) Guess what were still using 95 and 7.5 :( What a cheap school. Good thing our nice teacher has an iMac and iBook. :D

    Btw those bastards never put me on the front page cuz I'm goth send the hate malls please
  3. macaddict123k macrumors member

    Aug 1, 2001
    Palm Harbor, Florida
    iIwent 2 prep/private k-8th grade. Now i go 2 public school,palm harbor is ranked 14th in the nation and i think it is better, way better. I live in a nice area and not many public schools are as nice. We have a huge mac network with airport and there are probobly 1500+ computers at our school. We have two ibook labs with about 40 ibooks each. Im a freshman and when i first started going here i was so flabergasted. :D
  4. whfsdude macrumors 6502a

    Jan 20, 2002
    Washington DC USA
    oh god you are so lucky. If I went to your school and walked in the lab, I would nut in my pants so quickly :D
  5. Rower_CPU Moderator emeritus


    Oct 5, 2001
    San Diego, CA
    I went to public high school in Hawaii. It was a pretty large school, with 2000 or so students. It had good programs for academics and sports.

    I took 5 AP classes, participated in high school sports, and other miscellaneous extracurriculars...

    Not to be stereotypical or anything (;) ), but most of the private school kids I knew were complete d*cks. Stuck up, snobbish and completely self-centered.
    I apologize if anyone here went to private school and feels differently about the students there.

    I think that you get out of school what you put into it. There are programs to be taken advantage of at public schools that can put you on even footing with anything available in private schools...if you put forth the effort.
  6. Mr. Anderson Moderator emeritus

    Mr. Anderson

    Nov 1, 2001
    Re: private and prep schools

    Knowing a little of your background from what you've posted online, I'm more interested in finding out from you why you asked this question. What precipitated a need to find out about possible discrepencies in the level of education offered in the two forms of education?

    I'm a public school product, but its been so long, I don't know if I have any relevancy to the question at hand, so much has changed.

    One thing I do know, from personal experience. Its not the school that matters, but the teachers and professors. In the few instances I've been lucky enough to have a teacher who has understood/worked/challenged me (and not only me, but all the students) I have excelled. Most of what we get out of our education has to be in thanks to the teachers.
  7. jefhatfield thread starter Retired


    Jul 9, 2000
    Re: Re: private and prep schools

    i teach as you know

    and today, i received a newsletter from my old high school that says that we were in the top ten percent of our state in california

    last i heard, we were ranked 49 and arkansas was ranked 50...he he

    nobody, with the exception of 3 out of 220 in our class of 82, made it from our high school to an elite private institution (stanford, usc, boston university) and i think that is politics more than just test scores

    the private school types from the same town i remembered in high school were kind of snobby from what i can recall like mentioned above

    as a working adult later in life after one has got their foot in the door, what you do and how you do it makes the biggest difference of all in the long run
  8. Mr. Anderson Moderator emeritus

    Mr. Anderson

    Nov 1, 2001
    Re: Re: Re: private and prep schools

    Well, they pay all that extra money, so they have to have someone tell them they're special. Just because you have money, doesn't mean you're smart of gifted. Connections go a long way, but in my business a strong portfolio is the only thing thats going to get you a job. Have a proven track record and you're ok. Having Daddy introduce you will only get you so far.
  9. jefhatfield thread starter Retired


    Jul 9, 2000
    Re: Re: private and prep schools

    i am a minority and with the downturn in affirmative action in california, it is an issue i worry about for future students of all races

    i am almost entirely a public school product myself and with the exception of california red tape and the "new math" of the 70s, i was pretty happy with the whole trip
  10. jefhatfield thread starter Retired


    Jul 9, 2000
    Re: Re: Re: Re: private and prep schools

    as an artist, your portfolio is more important that your resume and in some cases my artist wife never had to show her resume

    inside connections work more for business and law and some highly placed local pros in business i know of got into daddy's firm, dentist office, or corporation

    but i can't see knowing someone as a help for an artist...portfolio from what my wife told me is number one

    she did go to a regionally famous art school for new york, school of visual arts, and that helped a lot in manhattan as did being from cooper union, pratt, parsons, or rhode island of design...these were the big five art schools in new york and nearby but they are largely unknown in california

    so when she was here, her portfolio was everything...and also dressing appropriately didn't hurt at all;)
  11. Beej macrumors 68020


    Jan 6, 2002
    Buffy's bedroom
    I was pulled out of a public school to complete the final to years of high school in a prestigious private school. I didn't want to leave my old school and I wasn't real happy at my new school. I'd have done a lot better if I'd just been allowed to stay at my old school.

    Anyway, I got a high enough marks to get into the Uni course I wanted, so I guess that's the main thing at the end of the day...
  12. cb911 macrumors 601


    Mar 12, 2002
    BrisVegas, Australia
    i think that when still in school it doesn't matter that much. private and public make more of a difference when you start going to Uni etc.
  13. jefhatfield thread starter Retired


    Jul 9, 2000
    private high schools get the nod with elite private colleges too much

    but the university connection will affect getting and staying employed

    where i live there are two basically equal schools, uc berkeley and stanford, and as a former hr professional, one almost always gets the red carpet while the other is lumped into one of those "public, yet decent schools"

    so just because junior wore the red school colors of stanford vs. the blue ones of uc berkeley, there will be a twofold difference in average lifelong earning capability...that does not seem fair

    i swear, the us is so friggin image consious...the first thing people worldwide will assume if you went to stanford is that you are the cream of the crop...but the only place where you will get that treatment at uc berkeley is within the confines of the campus

    btw...did you know that berkeley has more nobel peace prize professors than any school in the us...nobody seems to notice that for instance...and berkeley is racially diverse with students from all socioeconomic backgrounds unlike stanford which is noticeably rich...even with the minorities
  14. Ensign Paris macrumors 68000

    Ensign Paris

    Nov 4, 2001
    I have always been at what we call 'state schools' although out Private eduacation system is known as the 'public' one. wired england!

    I have been at 2 normal schools (primany and secondary)

  15. jelloshotsrule macrumors G3


    Feb 7, 2002
    i pretty much went to catholic schools my whole life, with the exception of 2nd and 3rd grades in a public school on an army base in korea...

    my experiences tell me a few things:

    just as with all schools, certain ones excel. for instance, the school district in northern va (fairfax county) is supposedly very very good, and i went to grade school there, my brothers to all their school at some point or another there.

    in northern new jersey, i went to a catholic high school, and let me just say it was a piece of cake. now, this could be biased coming from a generall intuitive person, i don't know if other people found it hard or what.. but i could do as little as possible to get by. therefore, i know it's all about teachers inspiring you to WANT to learn and do well. resources your school has and making use of them. my school didn't have jack squat. no audio video stuff, one art class, like 3 programming classes (basic, c++, and pascal)... it was pretty much a joke with computers. some windows machines, i don't know what kind.

    however, there was a school nearby that was all boys and cost like 10 grand a year...a high school. with a big "campus" and such.. i think a lot of THOSE people would be the snobby, rich kids. while my school did cost (something like 4000/year), there were scholarships that weren't really hard to get, and other sorts of things, so while we had plenty of rich jackasses, we also had some poor folks.

    not sure where i'm going with this really... but now. i go to nyu. a private rich freaking university. from what i can see, they could stand to spend a lot more on the kids and technology and that sort of thing. sure, we have a lab full of dual 533's and 17" flat screens, but then there's the sgi lab full of 7 computers that are 5 or so years old. doing hard core 3D on that is painful often....

    who daddy knows is a lot. also, sports stars get a lot of perks. my brother was a freaking nerd to the highest degree. aced his sat's, 2nd in his class, just naturally really really smart. and he didn't get into princeton. got wait listed at cornell... i mean come on now. my friend was a female soccer star, smart, but not THAT smart. she got right into princeton, probably for free.

    portfolio is a lot for artists, the highest thing yeah. but there's still plenty of who you know to be had i'm sure. probably more important when you get higher up and perhaps into the more hollywood side of graphics/art. but there are definitely times/places when who you know will help you out a great deal...

    uggh, that's long. sorry. :)
  16. jefhatfield thread starter Retired


    Jul 9, 2000
    and bears college guide in the usa has a little intro about england being diff than usa

    besides driving on other side of road and having better rock bands, the uk calls its five year bachelor level doctors the title of "doctor" and the more highly trained eight year MDs the title of "mister"

    that sounds so strange to me

    but there were no european settlers here in the usa when england was up and running with major cities and institutions hundreds of years prior to george washington so maybe the usa has it all backwards

    i miss london, went to university there in south kensington and met older woman...he he...a blond woman from yorkshire
  17. jefhatfield thread starter Retired


    Jul 9, 2000
    with some schools, the sports stars, if good, can get a degree and darn near be illiterate but sports brings big bucks into the school, especially since the atheletes are not paid...ok, some kids get cars and prostitutes but with new strict laws, they never see cash

    if they did see cash, i would shed fifty pounds, change my name to regain undergraduate eligibility, and start shooing hoops...he he

    why not give a football degree or basketball degree to those exceptionally gifted atheletes that are academically challenged...most often these illeterate athletes, many of whom i knew as otherwise decent people, are given 'business' degrees

    having worked for my business degree and owning two businesses myself, that is stupid

    should some seven foot forward who cant read past the third grade be given the same degree as me who got a really high sat?

    the usa should institute sports degrees and leave the other degrees to the people who really need them

    there are still many smart jocks though, but there are still tens of thousands of sports people who get into us schools who got the nod over someone like your brother who worked his tail off but doesn't happen to be a female who can blast a round ball into the net more times than him:p
  18. sjs macrumors 6502

    Feb 15, 2002
    it's the good ole boy network

    jefhatfield, I have been out of college even longer than you, but we've both probably learned the same thing: the biggest difference resulting from where you go to school isn't the education...its the network you get plugged into.

    Your school has a network of alumni or people who feel a fondness for your school who will be able to open doors and give you opportunities in the future. The importance of the network will make more of a difference in your life than the actual quality of the education.
  19. jefhatfield thread starter Retired


    Jul 9, 2000
    Re: it's the good ole boy network

    so true

    networks are despised at uc berkeley and thus the lowest giving rate in the united states...i talked to their alums officer on campus and he said it was a shame...yeah everybody wants to change the world at uc berkeley but individually, the great majority of these uc berkeley students will not put their money where their mouth is

    but the equally comparable stanford has alumni connections and money up the yazoo...notice that clinton sent his daughter to stanford instead of cal

    if chelsea clinton ever decides to enter politics, her stanford connections will play a huge role like her washington dc connections

    in southern california, the unversity of southern california is the powerhouse of rich connected academia...this will get me killed, he he, but the public university ucla is actually a better school by far...but don't expect any real connections there however

    snobs may be annoying, but in life, unless you have a few of those yacht clubbing, private golf clubbing, chardonnay sipping yuppies on your side, things are darn near impossible to get done

    unemployed snobs usually get on all the political positions and commissions and wield more power than their working counterparts

    my god man, are you really older than me and one of those two mythical forty something posters i have seen since the inception of macrumors?

    do you get a lot of span from pfitzer with viagra like me? they spam me problem is not the plumbing (yet) but unwillingness to use it:D
  20. eyelikeart Moderator emeritus


    Jan 2, 2001
    Metairie, LA
    re: private schools

    I went to a private school as a kid...and went to a Catholic high school...

    I will say that as far as public education goes...if I end up living in New Orleans for the rest of my children will not go to a public school here...we have nearly the lowest public education ratings in the country!!

    I have heard good things about public schools in other cities around the country....but here they are terrible...

    since I've been in private institutions up to college...I'm all for them...

    but I don't think it necessarily says there's a better education available for them generally....just in the case of New Orleans...

    From what I have heard from others...public schools elsewhere offer things that the private schools here won't even think of...real life study...etc...etc...

    sorry for my jumping in on this late...I was kinda busy all weekend... ;)
  21. macktheknife macrumors 6502a


    Jan 24, 2002
    My $0.02

    jethatfield, I'll add something to your comments concerning UC Berkeley. As a Cal graduate (class of 2000), I must say that the reason why many alumni (except for the pre-WW II generation) shy away from giving back to their school is that many of us have no pride or happy memories invested in Cal.

    After all, what type of community does Cal foster? As a freshman you're thrown into these dorms that resemble housing projects dispersed throughout the city, unlike other universities where housing are clustered together and on campus. Once you're a sophomore, you're out on your own to find housing, and that's when the community really disappears since students plug themselves into these ghetto and decrepit apartments with anonymous neighbors while paying exorbitant rents.

    And what about the city itself? Berkeley's City Council spends more time passing non-binding and useless resolutions condemning everything in the world while letting problems that is under their jurisdiction (i.e. homelessness, parking, etc.) fester out of control. Take a quick stroll through Berkeley and you will see the failure of left-wing radicalism. What’s there to be proud of when you have perfectly able-minded and able-bodied vagrants (an out-of-fashion word nowadays) bumming you for money or cigarettes and berating you when you politely say “no” in order to keep your hard-earned money?

    I myself got a great education at Cal, and I earnestly believe that Berkeley's academic curriculum is top-notch. However, the left-wing slant that pervades many of the school’s department fosters cynicism and a warped view of how the world works. We have graduates coming out of the Ethnic Studies department completely unprepared for the job market who, growing frustrated that their education means little in the workplace, turn around and blame The System for their woes.

    My point is this: If you want alumni to open their wallets, give them a reason to do so and prepare them for the workplace so that they will have the means to do so. A visit to Berkeley’s counterpart down south, and one can see why UCLA graduates will be happy to put their money back to their school. It is also a wonderful academic center minus the left-wing garbage in a wonderful and exciting environment.
  22. sjs macrumors 6502

    Feb 15, 2002
    Yes I am one of those mythical 40 somethings (mid-40s) and yes I get some stuff from Viagra. In fact a doctor friend gave me a sample a couple of years ago for "fun" but i've never had the courage to try it...afraid of some weird side effect.

    Here in GA we have two very fine universities: UGA and Ga Tech. They are both good, but Tech is better. However, if you want to compare networks its UGA, hands-down. Business, politics, judgeships, you name it. But the ultimate network is found in the Ivy League; probably Harvard for business and Yale for politics. I think more US Presidents have come from Yale by far than any other schools..

    Other than your school, the other great network institution is your "bank account". The monied hang with the monied and therein lie the opportunities.

    I don't think its unfair...its just the way it is. IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE SYSTEM at a young enough age, you can break going to the right schools, cultivating your friendships within the right networks, making a few millions, then following the rules of the club. I am kind of on the periphery of that network...I know the right people, make a decent income, etc. but my Chrisitian faith puts me in a different "club". So thats ok, I really try to see the best in everyone, including the rich!
  23. GeeYouEye macrumors 68000


    Dec 9, 2001
    State of Denial
    I'll tell you one thing. At least in CA, private school is definitely worth it. We're ranked something like 49/50, (look out North Carolina :)) When the public high schools are so underfunded and mismanaged that there is an average of 0.3 computers per classroom (actually 6 in one room, 12 in another, and none more powerful than a 486, most ~286)yet those that do exist are on a T1 line shared with the local middle schools (almost no computers there) and you have to pay for EVERYTHING except tuition (even textbooks that you don't keep), then you realize that public school, esecially around here is not everything it's cracked up to be.
  24. kishba macrumors 6502a


    Dec 11, 2001
    i attend a public school in michigan and love it

    i can't see myself attending a private school at all. in our city public schools are way better than private schools (our city is made of many rich people)

    school vouchers is becoming an increasingly large issue at school and my teachers are definitely causing me to agree with them... i just love public schools and don't want to see funding disappearing from the public schools for the private ones

    by the way... i'm back from chicago and am victorious! i was in a national competition (Business Professionals of America) and our Web Design Team took 1st place!!

    i've got sooo much to catch up on... i was gone for a week and the front page of macrumors has changed dramatically!
  25. mcrain macrumors 68000


    Feb 8, 2002
    Re: private and prep schools

    Did you see Macaddict123k's signature?? Nuff said.

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    I thought you were Asian. If so, you and I have an interesting conversation in the works...

    I went to public school grade and high schools, then U of Michigan, then U of Illinois. All public schools. All very fine schools. The problem today with schools is pretty simple. Dumb teachers teaching classrooms diluted with dumb students.

    If you want to teach geniuses, you put a genius in the front of the classroom, and you prevent the disruption of fools by putting them all together in another classroom.

    No offense to the teachers we have here, but, when my senior high school chemistry teacher knew less chemistry than me, I knew there was a problem. When I realized she was the teacher and not me because she had a teaching degree, I realized the root of the problem. When I saw that no chemist in his/her right mind would teach due to the salaries teachers earn, I found what I believe to be the cure for the problem. (Pay teachers what they are worth - not $35,000 a year, more like $75,000 a year to start or more)

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