Pro-life group urges Congress to pass Senate health care bill

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  1. freeny macrumors 68020

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    Wow... one of those 'social justice' advocacy, faux Catholic groups that Glenn Beck warned us about, founded just a few years ago in 2005, signs on to Senate bill despite its clear abortion advocacy! How could a real Catholic organization do that? Let's hear what real Catholic Bishops have to say:

    Catholic bishops send message to faithful: We oppose ObamaCare - Stop Abortion Funding in Health Care Reform!
    United States Conference of Catholic Bishops
    3-11-2010
    http://www.usccb.org/healthcare/UPDATED-bulletin-insert.pdf
    "I am deeply disappointed that the current un-amended Senate health care bill fails to maintain the longstanding policy against federal funding of abortion and does not include adequate protection for conscience. I urge you to support essential provisions against abortion funding, similar to those in the House bill. Include full conscience protection and ensure that health care is accessible and affordable for all. I urge you to oppose any bill unless and until these criteria are met.”
     
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    How nice, the people who agree with you are the "real" ones. :rolleyes:


    (Also, I don't like to be a grammar Nazi, but that agreement mistake is rather easy to catch for most)
     
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    Yeah, the forum rules don't like grammar Nazis either.

     
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    Umm sorry, the Senate bill clearly says no federal money can pay for abortions.

    It simply allows people to buy with THEIR OWN money, an UNSUBSIDIZED insurance plan through the exchange that will cover reproductive services.

    Way to distort facts to push your own agenda.
     
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    :rolleyes:


    Welcome to PRSI: where, for some people, facts are just minor inconveniences.
     
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    Welcome to PRSI: where, for some people, rules don't apply if you hold the majority opinion.
     
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    Here you go, just in case anyone tries to bullsh** their way through this...

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    I've gotten in a few timeouts so that's not totally true. ;)
     
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    It's hard.

    At least for me a lot of these issues are pretty personal, I try to be civil and polite but sometimes it is difficult.
     
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    The moderate Democrats dispute this claim and are clearly against the bill, calling their action courage against Pelosi's lies... of course the abortion provision is still in the Senate bill... it was never removed! That was the whole point of the Stupak Amendment in the House that the Senate rejected! As Americans we cannot support federal funds paying for abortions ending lives of American children. Vote against this health care disaster...

    Abortion Foe Calls Health Care Resistance A Sign Of 'Courage'
    A dozen socially conservative Democrats say they won't support the legislation without a prohibition on paying for abortions with federal money. Stupak wrote a provision to their liking for a House bill approved last November, but the Senate replaced it with wording he considers unacceptable. With the House closely divided, opposition from his faction could doom the measure and cripple Barack Obama's presidency.
     
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    You don't actually read anything anyone posts do you?

    I posted an excerpt from the bill that clearly states the abortion language.

    You are wrong.
     
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    You're right - and I did note - what you illustrated; you posted an anonymous photo excerpt, unlinked to any authoritative source, that shows two paragraphs out of 2,000+ pages, of language the Senate has cobbled together detailing nothing at all about supposed state requirements. Meanwhile a dozen socially conservative Democrats, AND EVERY REPUBLICAN, wants some straightforward prohibition on paying for abortions with federal money! If the "language" on abortion is not in bill, as you allege, why are Democrats so fearful of adding a proviso against abortion funding? One sentence will do it. One sentence added to 2,000+ page bill? C'mon... one sentence....
     
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    The bill should allow payment for abortions. Abortions are a legal medical procedure in this country. Banning payment for abortions would be akin to banning payment for open heart surgery, especially if not having an abortion would put the mothers' health in danger.
     
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    Agreed.
     
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    Because prohibiting people from buying their own coverage, with their own money that includes reproductive services would be changing current law.

    But I don't expect you to understand this.
     
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    Abortions are already funded by the government 100% for those who meet income qualifications.
     
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    Source?

    I know women who have had this done, they were low income and they had to pay for it themselves.
     
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    (edit) Rape, incest or life of mother in danger.

    Read and decide for yourself. The third link is the bill that is under consideration.

    http://www.aclu.org/reproductive-freedom/public-funding-abortion

    http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/abortion-which-side-is-fabricating/

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c111:6:./temp/~c111fnqLYb::

    ITN, there are procedureal reasons you can't just add that one little sentence. Reconciliation is for budgetary changes, not policy changes. But, I'm sure they taught you that at your college. Refresh my memory, where did you go to school?
     
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    Wow, so the conservatives want to force women who are raped to have the children? AWESOME!

    Oh the mother is going to die, unless she has an abortion, KILL THE MOTHER!

    Wow just wow, conservatives hurt my brain.
     
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    Those are the only times it should be covered under a public insurance plan. Any other abortions are nothing more than birth control and should have to be paid out of pocket by the individual. I am also wondering what kind of stuff will be in this Health Plan regarding in-vitro and other types of similar procedures because those should not be covered either.
     
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    Why? I'm assuming you think it's the mother's fault or father's fault that they have a medical condition that causes them to be infertile. I am not advocating paying for it, but why are you so against it?
     
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    fixed :)
     

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