'Pro Life' Rep Says It's Fine For Kids to Die in the Name of God

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In a deeply religious section of Idaho, a Republican state representative says that the state has no right to protect children from their parents who refuse them needed medical treatment in favor of faith healing.

“Children do die,” says Rep. Christy Perry. And it’s fine with her if Idaho children die in the name of God. Perry’s district includes many followers of a religious cult, Followers of Christ, that eschews medicine. She says that the sect’s members are more comfortable confronting death when it happens to their children.

“I’m not trying to sound callous, but [people calling for reform] want to act as if death is an anomaly. But it’s not. It’s a way of life,” she says.

Perry says that a proposed ban on faith-healing would violate the religious rights of her constituents. The legislation, which would limit faith exemptions for medical care in the state’s child neglect law was proposed after a string of preventable child deaths in Perry’s district. The 12 who died were children of sect members. Most of the children died from causes like pneumonia, sepsis and easily treatable cases of food poisoning.

But Perry argues that it’s well within the Canyon County sect’s First Amendment right to refuse medical care for their children on religious grounds. She says those trying to reform the laws are denying the sect their religious freedoms.

“Is it really because these children are dying more so than other children, or is this really about an attack on a religion you don’t agree with?” Perry told Aljazeera.

On her website, Perry ironically proclaims that she's "a pro life mother and grandmother and emphasizes her honor and value of all human life, born and unborn." Perry also claims she's "an ardent supporter of defending each child’s right to life."

Oh the irony

 

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Loaded rhetoric aside, if there isn't a greater public health concern, do you feel that the government should be allowed to force elective medical procedures onto a child without the parent's consent?
 

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Loaded rhetoric aside, if there isn't a greater public health concern, do you feel that the government should be allowed to force elective medical procedures onto a child without the parent's consent?
if the parents are neglecting the child? absolutely.
a child is a parent responsibility, not their possession.
parental rights do not extend to murder.
 

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if the parents are neglecting the child? absolutely.
a child is a parent responsibility, not their possession.
parental rights do not extend to murder.
So you define a parent not choosing an elective medical procedure as neglectful?
 

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Ahhhh, religion. The fountain of rational thought!

These people are pathtic.

Pure abject child neglect. Arrest these freaks and throw them in the slammer.
 

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Ahhhh, religion. The fountain of rational thought!

These people are pathtic.

Pure abject child neglect. Arrest these freaks and throw them in the slammer.
Ah, I knew you weren't a true libertarian! Based on your logic, the doctors from now on shouldn't even bother asking a parent for their permission and perform whatever medical procedure they want. :rolleyes:
 

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So you define a parent not choosing an elective medical procedure as neglectful?
Yes, it's neglectful when a child is sick and then dies when the parents refuse medical attention. Absolutely without a doubt, If these adults want to neglect their own health and life, that's their prerogative, but children are dependent on their parents and cant take themselves to the doctor. These religious cults are irresponsible and criminal.
 

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Ah, I knew you weren't a true libertarian! Based on your logic, the doctors from now on shouldn't even bother asking a parent for their permission and perform whatever medical procedure the want. :rolleyes:
I'm 100% not a libertarian and never have been. Nor I have I ever claimed to be one. Libertarians are often worse than Republicans.
 

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Yes, it's neglectful when a child is sick and then dies when the parents refuse medical attention. Absolutely without a doubt, If these adults want to neglect their own health and life, that's their prerogative, but children are dependent on their parents and cant take themselves to the doctor. These religious cults are irresponsible and criminal.
My position has nothing to do with religion. Doctors shouldn't have the right to force medical procedures on someone.

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I'm 100% not a libertarian and never have been. Nor I have I ever claimed to be one. Libertarians are often worse than Republicans.
The only reason your commenting in this thread is because of your hostility towards religion.
 

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So you define a parent not choosing an elective medical procedure as neglectful?
When they try to pray away something like juvenile diabetes to the point where the child dies yes.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/03/parents-prayer-death-children/2485599/

I don't think anyone is arguing that something like not giving a child cold medicine is neglect, the point is that many preventable and easily treatable conditions are being prayed for rather than having medical treatment.
 

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My position has nothing to do with religion. Doctors shouldn't have the right to force medical procedures on someone.

technically doctors wouldn't be forcing it, that would be up to the courts to decide doctors would just be following from there.
 

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My position has nothing to do with religion. Doctors shouldn't have the right to force medical procedures on someone.

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The only reason your commenting in this thread is because of your hostility towards religion.
Ummm no, it's because these freaks are murdering innocent children who depend on them through their neglect!
 

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My position has nothing to do with religion. Doctors shouldn't have the right to force medical procedures on someone.
Should parents be required to feed their children? Or should parents not be required to do anything to keep their children alive?
 

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technically doctors wouldn't be forcing it, that would be up to the courts to decide doctors would just be following from there.
Agreed, so from now own what this thread is arguing is that the courts should decide which medical procedures both adults and children are required to take. Let's get rid of all of the permission request forms across the board.
 

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Agreed, so from now own what this thread is arguing is that the courts should decide which medical procedures both adults and children are required to take. Let's get rid of all of the permission request forms across the board.
No, an adult has the right to **** up their own life and health, not their child's when it comes to preventable illness and disease.
 

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Should parents be required to feed their children? Or should parents not be required to do anything to keep their children alive?
Don't be silly, that is something that would qualify as child neglect but forcing a child to take an elective medical procedure isn't.
 

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Agreed, so from now own what this thread is arguing is that the courts should decide which medical procedures both adults and children are required to take. Let's get rid of all of the permission request forms across the board.

the original post shows with the threads about. Any side arguments are just that, side arguments relating to the subject. The side arguments are not about forcing medical procedure on adults either.
 

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Don't be silly, that is something that would qualify as child neglect but forcing a child to take an elective medical procedure isn't.
Choosing to allow your children to die because you don't want to believe in medicine is child neglect as well.
 

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Don't be silly, that is something that would qualify as child neglect but forcing a child to take an elective medical procedure isn't.

children are entirely dependent on the parent for good, shelter and medical care. praying for your child to get better it's no different than praying for your child not to be hungry it's still neglect.
 

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Don't be silly, that is something that would qualify as child neglect but forcing a child to take an elective medical procedure isn't.
I love the abject absurdity of your thinking. Life saving treatment for disease and illness is "elective procedure"? So it's in the same vein as a boob job or a nose job? Or a face lift?

Crazy, I tell you, crazy!!!!