Profile of an American Nazi

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  1. BigAppleNYC123, Sep 29, 2017
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    Warning: If you are perhaps sensitive to discussion of real-world ethical issues, such as racism and anti-semitism, please do not proceed further on this thread. The comments below are truly disgusting, but I believe progress cannot be made if we pretend people like this do not exist. The commenter below is active on the Disqus channel called poltical rhetoric busters. In Germany, this guy would be in prison.
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    ok, so shall we beat him up? or what do you propose be done?
     
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    1. Avoid slippery slope arguments
    2. Make nazi hate speech illegal like Germany
     
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    1 not possible since as it was noted on the other thread Germany went full retard & Merkel was opposed to some of the sutpidity passed
    2 no thanks, we are not Germany :rolleyes:
     
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    As I've always said some people just need their nose broken *shrug*
     
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    Yep, to quote @Dagless "Remember kids, always punch Nazis."
     
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    Defending nazis is morally egregious.
     
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    we are defending FREE SPEECH, like it or not YOU and TRUMP have things in common when it comes to free speech you dont like
     
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    I am not defending their ideology. What I am defending is their right to free speech. If you want to outlaw it fine, contact your Senator, Governor, Representative, etc. and lobby them to make it illegal to be a Nazi.
     
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    glad the ACLU will counter such efforts
     
  11. Zenithal macrumors 604

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    Nazi or the rantings of a crack addict redneck?
     
  12. BigAppleNYC123 thread starter macrumors regular

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    Or both? :)
     
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    Either way, it doesn't really matter, as they are both reprehensible.
     
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    Not sure what can be done. Do you think a person like this would listen to another point of view? Listen to reason, facts, or could somehow be convinced his way of thinking is flawed? Even if you provided factual proof to counter his argument, he would not listen, would attack you, and become more angry. I see no way a person like this could ever change.

    So you have an extreme point of view on one end, verbal and provocative, and then you have the other more subtle everyday citizen, who still does not trust minorities, watches the Black shopper in case they steal something, pulls them over if they look suspicious, overlooks them for promotion, won't rent a room to them, etc. How far removed is this extreme point of view of racism different from what we see everyday in normal society?
     
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    One is a lot more reprehensible than the other. If Germany had spent 5 years on a crack binge instead of a genocide binge, my last name (and my mother's maiden name) wouldn't be nearly extinct.
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    Not very far apart. This guy is only saying what other people are afraid to verbalize.
     
  16. Zenithal macrumors 604

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    Was kind of my point. Notice how only the actual stupid ones will go out in public like the marches from August.
     
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    They may have a right to free speech, but they do not have a right to unopposed speech.
     
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    I'm not sure anyone is saying they have a right to unopposed speech. They do have a right to say things without being assaulted or threatened.
     
  19. Zenithal macrumors 604

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    JK understands the difference. His suggestion earlier was tongue in cheek. To report them to the state and have them silenced, which would violate their 1st amendment rights.
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    Not necessarily. The right to free speech pertains to government and or government funded groups (such as schools). Free speech dwindles soon from that. A racist can go out in public with a megaphone and rant. The police can't stop him, but if he's being a nuisance, may be cited and then left alone, if the area has a nuisance law and only for that. However, it doesn't stop groups of strangers from bumrushing them or punching them. If caught, they'd face assault charges.

    If we tone down what you said, we'd never have dissenting guests on left or right wing media.
     
  20. BigAppleNYC123 thread starter macrumors regular

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    The modern German republic is not the only western country to have hate speech laws. Tolerating nazi speech is only done by *some* members of western civilization.
     
  21. Zenithal macrumors 604

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    What's the success rate of those charged with hate speech laws in Germany? Also, this isn't Germany you're talking about. Why DO YOU KEEP BRINGING UP GERMANY? This discussion is about the US.
     
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    Then, lobby to get the United States out of the *some* column.
     
  23. Zenithal macrumors 604

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    Ask him to do healthcare, too. Lindsey Graham doesn't even know what he's doing. His words.
     
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    The discussion is not only about the US. It is about hate speech laws throughout NATO and some MNNA countries.
     

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