Proof on what everyone suspected why Trump won, but America is loosing

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by PracticalMac, Mar 23, 2017.

  1. PracticalMac macrumors 68030


    Jan 22, 2009
    Houston, TX
    The American lower middle class is rapidly dying, and the politicians are ignoring them, even Trump.
    The irony is Trump was swept into office by those very same people that are one again being ignored.

    This is also a backlash at Obama's failure to both visibly punish the elites and better address the economic plight of the middle class.

    First off was the lack or slow punishment of Wall Street banking elites that caused the Great Recession.
    Then the massive taxpayer bailout to Banks and other industries, stressing out the middle class already barely able to maintain their living standards.
    Then was the "Jobless Recovery" (actually acceleration of changing job situation), where tens of millions of good paying middle class jobs went away by a number of factors (mainly automation, decline in coal consumption (replaced by gas), decline of steel production replaced by other materials, and simply lower spending by US. Trade and immigrants had very little impact to loss of MC jobs).
    Temporary jobs, often multiple ones, became permanent, living standards declined (there was a few bright spots like boom in Renewable that insured Obama reelection)
    When money is tight even health insurance when healthy is seen as useless expense, thus popular support to repeal ACA (Obamamcare), not that they don't want it, but cannot afford it (people OK to get HI when they get sick).

    This is the exact same "writing on wall" before great recessions, everyone with any intelligence and attention could see the Mortgage industry is rotten to core.

    This time what is happening it the "Left Behind" population desperate for help voted for someone who they hoped would bring their old jobs back (which will not happen for a substantial majority of them).

    This desperate situation is manifesting itself in real word effects as a new report shows suicides in and general despair of their economic state. What is more, many areas that had highest turn out for Trump are also some of the worst impacts areas.

    The reason why Trump Inauguration was the smallest in decades was many of those who voted Trump could not afford to go see it!

    Trump correctly saw where he can get key election support, but his proposals are massively ignorant on the causes and solutions.
    (Trump also gained a lot of Evangelical support from the SCOTUS vacancy)

    Republicans and Democrats are still ignoring or totally blind to the core problems in USA.
    Trump and Washington in general are not solving the core issue (where is Trump $1 Trillion program?), instead they are bickering over feel-good issues (travel band and ACA) and not make policy to bring millions of higher paying jobs back that will make real impact.
  2. webbuzz macrumors 68000


    Jul 24, 2010
  3. jkcerda macrumors 6502a


    Jun 10, 2013
    Criminal Mexi Midget
    do they make midol?
  4. PracticalMac thread starter macrumors 68030


    Jan 22, 2009
    Houston, TX
  5. webbuzz macrumors 68000


    Jul 24, 2010
    That's Bayer. Another one to buy. :D
  6. DrewDaHilp1 macrumors 6502a


    Mar 29, 2009
    All Your Memes Are Belong to US
    What is America "loosing" on? Please say tinfoil because some people have their hats on too tight.
  7. samcraig macrumors P6

    Jun 22, 2009
    Do they make a lot of anti-anxiety medicines?
  8. jkcerda macrumors 6502a


    Jun 10, 2013
    Criminal Mexi Midget
    Midol rules, just look at all the guys with "man buns" :eek:

    anyways. got a feeling neither republicans nor democrats know what needs to be done.
  9. BoxerGT2.5 macrumors 68000


    Jun 4, 2008
    Another way to put it is; "Why these people felt abandoned by the Democratic party". Let's explore that!
  10. Desertrat macrumors newbie

    Jul 4, 2003
    Terlingua, Texas
    I don't see much difference between the Democrats and the Republicans insofar as screwing the citizenry. They just work in different areas of society. Basically, it's a bi-partisan effort to centralize power. Joe Sixpack has been losing out for forty years and finally voted for any change away from business as usual.

    I doubt Trump will kiss the ouchie and make it all better. But, it won't be any worse that with Hillary-the-war-hawk or Bernie's "Road To Venezuela".
  11. duffman9000 macrumors 68000


    Sep 7, 2003
    Deep in the Depths of CA
    We need a version of Metamucil for mental diarrhea.
  12. unlinked macrumors 6502a

    Jul 12, 2010
    I remember hearing a crazy stat on an economists podcast shortly after Trump won.
    Something like 0% real income growth for the bottom 50% of Americans for the last 50 years.

    The graph below is share of income which is slightly different but you get the idea.
  13. ibookg409 Suspended


    Apr 20, 2016
    Portsmouth, NH
    We already have that. It's called a slap in the face.
  14. Zenithal macrumors 604

    Sep 10, 2009
    Brand name drugs that are combos of easily purchasable OTC drugs. Metamucil is a joke, too.
  15. ActionableMango macrumors G3


    Sep 21, 2010
    Clearly we are losing the ability to spell simple words.
  16. oneMadRssn macrumors 601


    Sep 8, 2011
    New England
    Republicans and Democrats have both done things to harm the middle class. But one party has done more than the other, one party continues to do more to harm the middle class today than the other, and one party is at least in some ways fighting for the middle class.

    Look not further than TrumpCare / AHCA proposal, the ISP spying vote in the senate, the latest blueprint budget, or the current supreme court nominee and hearings. It's clear that despite being quite successful at selling themselves to the middle class, the GOP is turning around and doing everything they can to screw them over even more. Literally not one proposal out of the GOP since the election is designed to help the middle class; but protecting the 1%ers and corporations like AT&T and Comcast is their top priority.

    Now the Democrats aren't blame-less either. Certainly some of the harm the middle class has suffered has come from DNC policies. However, at least some of their proposals are designed to help the middle class, and to help the poor rise into the middle class. At least they aren't proposing giving the megarich tax-cuts to be paid for my poor hungry senior citizens; at least they aren't trying to take away medicare from the poor and elderly; at least they aren't allowing corporations to dump toxic chemicals into middle class neighborhoods.

    I am upset with the DNC, no doubt. But to lump the DNC and GOP together as if their sins against the middle class are comparable is just plain wrong. One party has done more harm than the other, wants to do more harm while the other is at least trying to help, and if left unchecked will do more harm in the future.
  17. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

    Zombie Acorn

    Feb 2, 2009
    Toronto, Ontario
    Companies are getting rich and not paying appropriately, if Obama didn't tackle that did you expect Trump to?
  18. Eraserhead macrumors G4


    Nov 3, 2005
    Of course in terms of happiness with the direction of the country France is the lowest, followed by the USA, followed by China.
    --- Post Merged, Mar 25, 2017 ---
    Yep. Huge issue.
  19. HEK macrumors 68040


    Sep 24, 2013
    US Eastern time zone
    Oh they know what to do, it's not rocket science. Take for instance ACA. Want to improve health insurance for the people, lower premiums, take insurance 101. Increase the risk pool. Roll together employer and non employer members. Large pools spread the risk and provide majority of healthy people so insurance companies can fund the sick.

    Now both Dems and GOP know this, but the people that actually got and will get them elected, the 1%, don't want that, and their paid lobbyists would never write the bill advancing such a basic concept that all other countries use to provide less expensive premiums.

    Imagine the Republicans and Democrats locked in a room, no access to family or lobbyists, send in food and water. Don't let them out till they make real improvements that will address millions of their constituents regarding health care availability and cost. Both premiums, deductibles and copay. Shoot, all they have to do is open up access to the same healthcare program they voted themselves and family to receive for life.
  20. Huntn macrumors P6


    May 5, 2008
    The Misty Mountains
    The Democrats have to do a better job, so Americans will elect them.

    What is inexcusable is when the chickens elect foxes to manage the hen house. Then they get what they've asked for To Serve- a cook book. :oops: What is really sad is that the Republicans are terrible representatives for the working class but are elected in droves to what I can only describe as attraction to the dark side, all the negative wedge issues that appeal to many of us.
  21. Desertrat macrumors newbie

    Jul 4, 2003
    Terlingua, Texas
    The Democrats have a long history of tax and spend. The Republicans, for all their campaign talk, are a case of, "Us, too, but slower." Both parties have screwed the middle class. Unfortunately, the overall health of a nation derives from a healthy middle class and its property rights. Absent that, we wind up with a failed system.

    The Democrats have won elections by putting coalitions together. Coalitions can win elections, yes, but they cannot govern in a cooperative manner. The groups within any coalition have competing interests and thus break down after the election. The focus on narrow interests wipes out consideration of "the good of the nation as a whole". Italy is the prime example of this problem.

    Still, IMO, the key to the Trump win is the repugnance for "more of the same" business as usual in WashDC.

    Business as usual: The "bi-partisan" support of the Patriot Act and the NDAA police-state legislation. War hawks in both parties and unending war. Q: How is that good for Joe Sixpack? (Or good for a homeless bum, for that matter.)
  22. MrX8503 macrumors 68020

    Sep 19, 2010
    Republicans are masters at getting people to vote against their best interests.

    Trump supporters didn't even realize their healthcare was ACA. That's how bad it is.

    It's like hiring a baby sitter and not realizing you just hired a grizzly bear.
  23. Technarchy macrumors 604


    May 21, 2012
    It's not that complicated.

    People hate Hillary. Trump ran as a populist.

    Only people still hate Hillary, and Trump is not a populist. There was no way to vote against corporatism in reality.
  24. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a


    Apr 20, 2009
    Except I see no effort to repeal any of those things. Thus with Trump everyone still gets more of the same. Just with a side dose of extra comedy and buffoonery.

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