Protestor brings a gun to the Presidents Town Hall meeting.....

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by quagmire, Aug 13, 2009.

  1. quagmire macrumors 603

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    What an idiot. Chris was being a bit of an ass as well, but where was this guys common sense? Yes, the constitution says we have the rights to bear arms and his state laws allow him to carry with him in public, but to bring it to where the President is going and full knowing what that means in the past? And his line of, " Our fore fathers believed that everyone should carry arms" where did he get that from? We have the right, not the obligation to carry arms.......

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYUmCj4yud4
     
  2. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Is there a transcript? I can't see vids at work.
     
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    "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
    -Thomas Jefferson

    “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
    -Thomas Jefferson


    The guy was clear spoken and logical, and seemed to know more about history than the host. Chris Matthews is a thoughtless jerk and was trying to making the guy out to be an irrational freak. Thought it was great example of the 'grassroots' nature of this debate.

    The guy was breaking no laws. He was trying to make a valid political point but perhaps made an error in judgement.
     
  5. quagmire thread starter macrumors 603

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    Those quotes don't say that they believed everyone should be armed..... Just that we have the right to bear arms.......

    Yes, he technically broke no laws and Matthews is a jerk. But, it was a severe error in judgement to bring it with him to where the president is( not only in judgment, but trying to defend it). There are many more ways to prove a point about your gun rights then to actually bring a gun to where the president is......
     
  6. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    Glad to see the police handled it correctly.

     
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    So what's the big deal? Nothing happened to the guy. Hell, one of my friends got detained by the SS when Bush Sr came though our college town on a train. He was in Taco Bell and had joked that somebody should grab a gun while Bush was here. He was taken to the police station, questioned and held until the Bush train left. This guy actually brought a gun! I don't get all the fuss here. No one got shot, no one's rights were violated. End of story.
     
  8. bradl macrumors 68040

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    Bloody well right he made a bad error in judgment! No person living today is too stupid to be even the slightest bit aware of Lincoln and Kennedy, let alone McKinley, Garfield, and Roosevelt (thank $DIETY for that notepad!). Bringing a gun to where the POTUS is going to have a meeting smells of potential assassination attempt, no matter what his intentions are! Pathetic error in judgment.

    This... THIS is what happens because of FUD (especially from the right) being spread around! Stupid people going to Stupid extremes (no matter how good intentioned they sound), because of BS they are hearing from the wrong sources who claim they know what is "really" going to happen.

    Agreed, he invoked his 2nd Amendment right. But this douche is lucky they let him walk. Others were given much worse for similar (and justifiably so).

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  9. leekohler macrumors G5

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    It's same BS they pulled when Clinton got in office: "OMG! Socialism!" "OMG! He's going to take our guns!" "OMG! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" Of course, it was all a bunch of crap, just like it is now.
     
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    He's lucky he didn't have an itch on his leg near the gun, I bet several Secret Service snipers had him in their sights the entire time with their finger on the trigger just waiting for him to twitch. Idiot.
     
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    Except that they are so scared about it now (especially with how things are so polarized) that the Southern Poverty Law Center recently reported that there is a rise in militia groups across the country[/url] mainly because of problems with immigration, a black president, and a poor economy.

    All because of FUD. The problems exist, yes, but the extremism and conspiracy theories and the like are bollocks.

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  12. aethelbert macrumors 601

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    It's what we call the news! Let's not report important things, but rather talk about someone who didn't do anything wrong and was noticed by some people doing their jobs!
     
  13. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    Exactly.


    I'm sure this isn't politically correct to say... but I really don't care. I really wish the first black President of the US had been a conservative so people like you couldn't have tried using that as an excuse. So people would realize that it's about issues, not race. It's about socialism, not blackness. How lame.
     
  14. yg17 macrumors G5

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    *sigh* not this again.

    [​IMG]

    Looks like socialism to me! :rolleyes:

    It's about race. Most of these redneck teabaggers probably never graduated high school and wouldn't know what socialism was if it knocked them on their ass.
     
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    I don't see what the problem was, if he received permission from the school and church to carry I doubt hes a real *******. Anyone who drew down on the president would get their ass lit up faster than a Christmas tree in NY anyways. Anyone who would attempt it would also be an idiot or isn't aware of our vice president.
     
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    Apparently everything Obama related is socialism, isn't it?
    Hey nice tie Pres. Obama! Socialism
    You have beautiful daughters. Socialism.
     
  17. yg17 macrumors G5

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    No one with half a brain would bring a gun anywhere near a presidential appearance, legal or not.

    Like I said, he's lucky he didn't have an itch anywhere on his leg because I guarantee you Secret Service was keeping a close eye on him just waiting for him to make any movement that might look like he was going for the gun.
     
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    Are programs included into this graph? Things like welfare and the like aren't considered companies to my knowledge. In fact we could pay all sorts of taxes that were redistributed across the population and still have private industry. I think your graph would apply more towards a communism than a socialist society, government owns everything and lets you work.
     
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    We'll they're not going to just shoot him, itch or no. Don't be so melodramatic. :)
     
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    Secret Service doesn't mess around, it really wouldn't surprise me if they did.
     
  21. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    If he carries all the time it might be second nature and he may have not thought about it at all. People who have a carry license aren't the ones we need to worry about anyways, someone who is willing to shoot the president isn't going to have a license to carry in public.

    If he had reached for his gun or pulled it in anyway THEN it would have been stupid, and I would have no sympathy for him if he got taken out.
     
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    There are still legal protocols to observe. And it's not like they could shoot him without witnesses, particularly in this tech-age where everyone is armed with a camera.

    I'm certain deadly force would be a last and final option. They'd tase & beat the **** out of him long before that.
     
  23. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    Your ignorance is astounding. Amazing how you claim prejudice in one post, and then are guilty of it in your next post ranting about "redneck teabaggers". How insightful. Heck, you wouldn't have to go far to realize the opposite... even the guy dumb enough to bring a freaking gun to the event proves you wrong. Grow up and show some respect. These people are fighting for the exact same ideals that this country was built on. If Thomas Jefferson, John Hancock, Benjamin Franklin or any others from that time were seeing what we're doing now... which side of the debate do you suppose they'd be supporting?
     
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    Conceal / Carry licenses vary by state, but there is quite a bit of training required, written and practical exams to be passed, as well as a lengthy background check by your local sheriff against state and national (FBI) databases. And you're fingerprinted so you're not able to be "off the grid" anymore. CCP really isn't for the crackpot that it's made out to be by some folks.

    On the other side of the coin, I know some people that are odd about their almost need to carry in order to protect themselves. I expect the situations that have in their head are about as likely to happen as getting zapped by lightening. Some of them are just plain paranoid. I am all for the 2nd Amendment, but I must question this fellows choice to carry in such a conspicuous place, with the President around.

    If his aim was to make plain the fears of the NRA legal arm that the Obama gov will take away their rights.. I must call FUD. Right now, that just ISN'T happening. I think the economy and healthcare might take a bit of precedence. Hell, the 48 state-conceal/carry law was just narrowly defeated recently, I think primarily because no police forces were behind it (understandably). But the whole notion of the current gov planning on striking down the 2nd amendment is just propaganda.

    Personally, I'm getting while I can, and happy to do so.
     

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