Protests in France over taxes/tariffs

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  1. stylinexpat macrumors 65816

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    People are not happy. I reckon in France the government in one way or another collects about 50-70% of the people’s incomes in various forms of privacy. So they have some sort of freedom of speech but at a cost and a cost that costs them half their income where as in the Middle East people don’t really have freedom of speech but keep pretty much all their income in their pockets.. Freedom of speech or keeping the majority of your income more important to you..?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/24/paris-fuel-tax-protest-macron-france-poverty
     
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    Macron has disapprovals in the 70s (yes, 70%). I've got a feeling next time the Le Pen vote will be higher.
     
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    Right? I thought Europe loved this "everything promised for everyone" system? Oh, wait....turns out that gets expensive. Hmmm. You mean they need to take like your entire paycheck to pay for all the goodies? Suddenly, a bunch of French people are turning conservative. Quite ironic, eh? ;)
     
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    It’s all fun until they run out of money
     
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    They made the bed and now they're throwing a tantrum because it doesn't feel as comfortable as they thought it would. Any sane person would see that coming miles away but i guess the temptation of free stuff is too much to pass up.
     
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    Le Pen isn't fiscally conservative (neoliberal) She's populist (socialist leaning)
     
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    What is that supposed to mean?
     
  10. stylinexpat thread starter macrumors 65816

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    That means they are free to protest. Countries where you are free to protest in usually come with a price to pay. In countries like Saudi,UAE,Kuwait and Qatar (just to name a few) you can not protest but you get to keep all your income and very little if any taxes exist.
     
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    Serious question. Is France a socialist style country? Medicare for all etc?
     
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    France has a UHC style system, yes. Because of this the mean salary for a Primary care MD in France is about $90-95K I believe.
     
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    Not sure about France, but in Canada MDs make a lot more than that. A nurse in Canada could make over 300k a year if they really wanted to.
     
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    Gas prices don't seem all that high in France compared to the rest of Europe and the UK
     
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    gas prices are just the straw that broke the French back per articles linked. they seemingly can't afford to eat due to all the feel good taxes they pay.
     
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    When you run out of other peoples money, tax them some more! Everyone has their breaking point.
     
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    oh my bad. i didn't know Macron wrote and passed all the laws and measures all by himself. in that case, i think France is in great shape!
     
  20. cube, Dec 1, 2018
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    His party has the majority in the National Assembly, who normally has the last word.

    The only time the left had a majority in the Senate during the Fifth Republic was in 2011-2014.
     
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    LOL Macron is a creature of the French economic and finance lobbies. A corporatist in fact. You Americans are clueless on what socialism is.
     
  22. Zenithal, Dec 1, 2018
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    France has had woes for many decades. A lot of it is down to cronyism and not wanting to join the rest of the world in terms of technological advances and being unwelcoming of foreign business. They have a France first policy. That said, much like the US and other nations, CoL indexes have increased while wages have not. It's down to corporations wanting to soak up every Euro available. This is in addition to high rental well outside city spaces combined with dated rental laws that hurt consumers trying to make ends meet.

    My last few trips to France have been for business and I'm usually pulled aside and questioned anywhere from 10-20 minutes. The French are very insular about keeping things traditional with some leeway as long as the nation benefits quite a bit. Nearly every French president has terrible approval rates. You can't extrapolate American president approval rates with other countries. Though I suppose you can with a 60-65% disapproval for the current tangerine.


    FWIW, my first trip to France was a few decades ago. Even rent 30 miles, not kilometers, but miles, outside a city were around $2,000 USD for what was probably a 600 sq foot flat in the middle of **** all and took you over an hour to reach the city center of the nearest metro area.


    The problem with any developed nation is high taxation on the wealthy can only do you so much good because even if you place a 50% levy on income and assets, you take in a fragment of what you need to run the country each year. And when you have leaders who favor corporations and business, who don't pay up what they should relative to their countrymen, then you have a mess.

    And no Republican nor Democrat has ever been tough on big business. It's simple to say all Democrats do, but they don't. Even under the most liberal President, US corporations will be making money hand over fist and putting it away overseas.
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    I have no real say in what the French do or should do. All I ask for is uninterrupted cheese and wine import. I enjoy my triple cream brie wheels I gobble down every other week.
     
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    No he's a neoLiberal.
     
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    That too though that term will be confusing to some. ;)
     

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