Public option off the table

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  1. it5five macrumors 65816

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    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32174687/ns/politics-capitol_hill/

    So they're putting forth a bill that doesn't address the tens of millions of uninsured Americans? But I see that the provision to purchase health care is still in the bill. It completely misses the point, of course. Most Americans who don't have health insurance aren't without it because they choose to, it's because they can't afford it. So really, what this does is force us to give our money to private for-profit health corporations only so we can be denied coverage if we come to find ourselves with an expensive condition.

    From the article:

    Emphasis mine.

    This goes beyond another disappointment for me. It's making me angry. Especially since it's conservative Democrats that destroyed the bill.
     
  2. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Move to Europe. Seriously that the medical bill isn't offering a public healthcare plan is embarrassing.

    Are they going to bring the costs down though?
     
  3. quagmire macrumors 603

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    I hope Obama threatens to veto over this. Health care is a right, not a privilege. Things like infrastructure, healthcare, etc is what we need to be spending money on. And yet, why is it always the Republicans scream foul when we do spend money on it. How to pay for it? Easy, take it out of the huge defense budget......
     
  4. leekohler macrumors G5

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    This needs to fail- NOW. Obama should veto it. This is legislation with no teeth. If he doesn't, it'll be Clinton all over again.
     
  5. Dmac77 macrumors 68020

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    This is good. As of now, I would most likely throw my support behind this bill. A public option is a very bad thing. Eventually that public option would become the only option.

    Also, if we're going to get more people insured, we need to give them insurance that will actually get them healthcare. A public option will hurt people more then it will help them. I personally, don't like the idea of a government agency saying if I can see the doctor of my choice, or if I need a certain test, or if I need that medication. No thanks, the government already screws up enough stuff, we don't need to let them screw anything else up.

    Don
     
  6. leekohler macrumors G5

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    But a corporation telling you the exact same thing is OK?
     
  7. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Yes, because the US government is actually secretly controlled by Kim Jong Il and Castro.

    Seriously Cuba and North Korea are probably the only countries in the entire world which maybe don't have private healthcare in addition to government run healthcare plans (though many countries may not have government healthcare systems or they may be totally inadequate).

    So that's why the Europeans have such poor health </sarcasm>.
     
  8. quagmire macrumors 603

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    I am not advocating the gov't to take over the healthcare industry. All the gov't needs to do is provide the necessary coverage for people who can't afford healthcare to get prescriptions that they need to remain healthy and alive( obviously not viagra :rolleyes: ) and cover surgeries that are necessary to save the patients life( not something like lasik). You want a better plan, then you can go to the private companies for the better plan. But, the gov't should provide enough to keep people alive and healthy.
     
  9. .Andy macrumors 68030

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    This isn't true at all. We've got both a public option and a private option in australia. Everyone is covered by the public option and you can go with private health insurance if you choose, or even without it you can pay to go private from your own pocket. "Public would become the only option" shows a complete lack of understanding.

    (a) You'd rather an insurance company decides when you see a doctor and what tests and treatments are done instead? A company who's got a conflict of interest that if they don't treat you they make more money?

    (b) As above under a public system you aren't stuck without seeing a doctor of your choice or getting the tests of your choice. You can get private cover for these things or pay out of your own pocket if you need. Even under the public system in australia you can rock up to the GP of your choice and be covered publicly and/or request a referral to your surgeon/specialist of choice. Again you don't seem to understand how these things work in other countries.

    American's are suffering without basic healthcare and the opponents to supplying it to them haven't even got a grasp on what a public option means.
     
  10. it5five thread starter macrumors 65816

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    But you like the idea of a corporation saying if you can see the doctor of your choice, if you need a certain test, or if you need that medication? Now, keep in mind, this same corporation doesn't care about you at all. It will make these decisions with only profit in mind.

    You have no idea how bad I want to leave this country. I have a huge file full of immigration data for a number of different countries, and plan on applying for permanent residence in Quebec this December after I graduate. Ideally, I'd like to live in Scandinavia, at this point I'm willing to take what's easiest for me to get, and that is Quebec.
     
  11. Dmac77 macrumors 68020

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    Oddly enough, in the four years that we've had our current insurance plan, I have not been denied a medication, a specific doctor, or a medical procedure. And I've had my fair share of doctors, prescriptions, and tests done of the past few years.

    Don
     
  12. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Anecdote != Data.

    And by the way, what's the annual cost of your current health insurance plan?
     
  13. it5five thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Not to mention it's an anecdote from a minor who doesn't have to find or pay for his own insurance.
     
  14. .Andy macrumors 68030

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    This is the crux of it. You're fine under the current system combined with the fact that you've in past demonstrated complete lack of sympathy and empathy for anyone that isn't you.
     
  15. yg17 macrumors G5

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    Good for you. I know many people who have been denied the care they needed by their insurance companies. It's happened to my parents, it's happened to friends, hell, it even happened to me once. Claims denied for some BS reason that the insurance company pulled out of their ass.
     
  16. quagmire macrumors 603

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    Yep, my parents had to fight tooth and nail with our insurance company for them to even help cover the costs for my moms knee surgery when she was thrown off her horse and when she needed hip replacement surgery.

    And my family is fairly successful and can afford good health insurance and yet we still get refused coverage........
     
  17. pdham macrumors member

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    You appear to have very specific reasons why you don't support a public option, so this should be an easy exercise:

    Please provide data to support the following assertions:
    1. People won't be able to get healthcare under a public option
    2. Public options significantly limit choice
    3. A mixed system will devolve into a public only option

    And I suppose the crux of your arguement:
    4. Government is less effient and less equitable in service provision than is the private sector

    I don't want anecdotal evidence or personal opinion. Real data.
     
  18. racers macrumors regular

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    I'd also love to see this data, but the only thing I ever hear against universal health care is: we need to let the free market work ( when clearly it doesn't work very well for health care) and universal health care is socialism.

    I was recently dropped from my parents health care (bs reasons) and it is practically impossible to get health care when you are of the college age.

    The Dems. need to grow a pair stop bending over for the right wing and actually get this s**t done:mad:
     
  19. it5five thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Unfortunately, its not this simple in this case. Both the House and the Senate have enough members to get this through without any Republican votes. This failure is entirely at the feet of the Democratic party.

    This is a good read: http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2009/07/28/the-health-care-bill-dies/
     
  20. yg17 macrumors G5

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    They'll be playing ice hockey in hell before you get that from Don ;)
     
  21. nutritious macrumors 6502

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    Here's what I believe. I believe we have the best health care in the world when it comes to TREATING patients. We have some of the best technology, medicine, and doctors in the world. Nothing about that needs to be changed. However, it's very apparent our health INSURANCE system is not very fair.

    Now I don't believe in having a public option available for everyone (simply because I think people who can actually afford health insurance and their bills will get worse care). I think we need to kinda do what Japan does. We should regulate health insurance companies much more and negotiate prices on things kind of like Japan. It's very obvious we need reform, but I don't believe a public option for all is the route we should take.
     
  22. .Andy macrumors 68030

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    Why would this be the case?
     
  23. OutThere macrumors 603

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    That's looking like a good plan after college. Do I ever feel lucky to have dual citizenship. :) UK, Ireland, France, Switzerland?...so many choices and all of them with real healthcare!
     
  24. Shivetya macrumors 65816

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    The real joke is that based on numbers the Democrats never needed a single Republican vote but just like before, they cannot stomach the reform that is only a power grab because some of their members actually have integrity.


    Gee, so the selfish will have to wait longer to take my money to pay for stuff they are to lazy to pay for.


    Uninsured does not mean you don't get care. Just visit any emergency room.
     
  25. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    And you pay for that.
     

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