Very well said, iGary. Now, if we could only get a major news agency to pick up on your words.iGary said:They've been saying the iPod will die for three years now, and it keeps getting bigger.
Let me repeat myself for the bazillionth time:
When another company offers player, jukebox and music store in one package, maybe they can start ringing the death bell. Until then, just go ahead and shut up.
I criticize other MP3 players for not supporting the iTMS format. What a bunch of hipocrates...It points to Windows-backed services such as Yahoo's music subscription service, and criticises the iPod (which possesses 80 per cent of the hard drive music player market) for not supporting these.
Talk about keeping your options open -no time frame, very little evidence. Has anyone ever heard of this particular bunch of analysts?The report doesn't predict any imminent mortality for Apple's business in the sector, but describes the company losing its grip on the market as "inevitable".
Economists have been predicting the death of Apple for what? About 20 years? They only get "numbers" and don't understand why people buy Apple's hardware and software.mpw said:Pundits sound iPod death knell - Another misleading thread title?
What the article said as I read it is that Apple will, one day in the future, lose the market lead in this field.
I would imagine that economists clever than me will be able to produce a formula that proves this inevitable to any leading company in any field so I can't see this as wildly innovative thinking.
Defintely? So you think the time for them to do so has already come and gone? And it's now so far too late that the mistake will come back to haunt them?Stella said:Apple's reluctance of licensing out Fairplay will *definitely* come back to haunt them in the future.
I agree that they make a large leap at the end. Look at Microsoft. Despite Windows being available on computers from many manufacturers, Windows is not an open system. Having the industry dominated by one OS has not led Microsoft to innovate more, but that hasn't stopped them from raking in the profits and contuing to sell minor upgrades to consumers. In fact, the closed OS ecosystem has most likely led to greater profits for Microsoft.dontmatter said:well, the article isn't arguing about integration, etc.
They are saying-
Apple has a closed system
Closed systems have one company innovating, instead of many
One company cannot try as many things as a whole bunch of companies can
Trying things leads to innovation
Therefore, apple will innovate less, and die.
Thing is, there's a major premise they dodge, because it is hard to back up. The premise is, that the greatest level of innovation leads to market domination. This is extremely hard to prove, or to disprove for that matter.
nagromme said:Defintely? So you think the time for them to do so has already come and gone? And it's now so far too late that the mistake will come back to haunt them?
Actually, MS is scared to death of losing their Windows monopoly. That's why they've spend so much money on anti-Linux (and before that anti-OS/2) advertising.otter-boy said:Is MS afraid? no, and why should they be--they have more income than many countries.
And, as every Mac user knows, the Mac versions of Windows Media Player still has no support for any DRM'ed file.otter-boy said:Of course, what people forget when they attack Apple for its closed system is that we'd be trading it for another in Windows Media since there are no viable DRM alternatives that are open standards and the media companies aren't going to release their products without any DRM. Oh, and Windows Media DRM is designed to work best with . . . Windows.
I guess selling a million units a month is not considered successful these days. Any one of Apple's competitors would love to have this kind of "limited success"....and Apple's latest iteration, the iPod shuffle, has met with limited success
A vibrant ecosystem may ensure vibrant development of the technology, but it promises nothing to any individual company. IBM created the PC market and lost control of it (due to some clever reverse-engineering by Compaq, not because IBM wanted to give up total control). Sure, the PC market took off like wildfire, but IBM ended up being an insignificant player, and ultimately was forced to bail out altogether.Why don't more companies launch ecosystems? Because doing so requires faith that the market is a better judge of innovation than any one company
Wow. That's a lot of revisionist history. The Macintosh was never a market leader. And IBM got booted out of the ecosystem it created....just as the brilliant Macintosh computer ceded market leadership years ago to IBM's dowdier -- but more accessible -- personal computer...
So, an industry standard, AAC (invented by Dolby and accepted by MPEG as an international open standard) is "weird", but a Microsoft-proprietary format is not? OK. Go ahead and keep smoking your crack.it rips them in that weird format that only iTunes uses.
A flat out lie. iTunes and iPods can play music in four different industry-standard formats: MP3, unprotected AAC, WAV and AIFF. And (through a little bit of conversion) it can also play unprotected WMA. The only popular format it can't play is Microsoft's proprietary protected-WMA format.some consumer-electronics companies that offer both hardware and content such as Apple Computer Inc., creator of iPods and iTunes, and Sony Corp. are trying to lock consumers into their products by making devices that play music and movies only in the formats that the companies sell.
Oh, and Windows Media DRM is designed to work best with . . . Windows. At least we can play fairplay AACs on Windows computers though we can't legally play many Windows Media files on any OS besides Microsoft Windows. Imagine the power that would come from controlling the OS and all of the DRM on files (be they music, movies, or even Office documents).
Keynoteuser said:They miss one HUGE thing here...there's already an eco system that consumers love...it's called ACCESSORIES. Sure, some other manufacturer can't build a different iPod, but you can buy an iPod and get: a case, a sleeve, a pouch, a lanyard, a car charger, a dock, an audio boombox or audio dock, an underwater case, a wall dock, a mic adapter, a camera download adapter...I could go on. heck, you can run Linux on it!
What can you get for the other guys? uh...a set of speakers with a headphone cable...
You tell me which one most people would go for?
Thats funny, I thought MS made Windows Media Player 10.BGil said:That's total bull. Microsoft doesn't license their Windows Media format and DRM directly. They do it all through third parties. As a developer you can license Windows Media and all of its DRM's for every platform.
I see. When you said it definitely WILL come back to haunt them, you made it sound like that was a certainty, too late to be avoided.Stella said:I didn't stay that, you need to re-read - i said definitely some time in the future. I hope, when they DO, its not a matter of desperation because if it is, it may be too late.