Puppet Masters Behind the New Right Wing

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  1. Rt&Dzine macrumors 6502a

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    I was going to add this to the existing thread about the oil billionaires and their Tea Party, but that is just the tip of the iceberg. (The New Yorker article is long but worth reading.) The Kochs operate through various organizations, one being a group that David Koch founded called the Americans For Prosperity. They have been leading the fight against environmental protections.

    • The AFP helped organize the very first tea party protests. It is managed by astroturf lobbyist who spent the first year of the Obama administration mobilizing the tea party.
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    • AFP also has many front groups including "Patients United." They assisted in the intimidation and disruption of the town hall meetings on health reform.
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    • The Competitive Enterprise Institute is partly funded by Koch foundations. They were responsible for the false “Climategate” e-mails showed that scientists had concealed climate data from the public.
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    • The Cato Institute was founded by Charles Koch. They developed a legal theory for environmental deregulation championed by lobbyists.
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    • The Heritage Foundation is funded by the Kochs.
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    • Koch Industries is a major polluter and has leaked over 3 MILLION gallons of crude oil into drinking water and fisheries in the U.S.
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    • The Bush administration appointed Koch Industries lobbyists and political operatives to key environmental positions throughout the federal government.
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    • Koch Industries has lobbied against recognizing formaldehyde as a carcinogen. They own Georgia Pacific, a major producer of formaldehyde.

    They are the behind-the-scenes leaders of the Libertarians.

    http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/04/01/koch-pollution-astroturf-2deca/

    This is the recent article by Jane Mayer:
    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer

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  2. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    And you thought the mafia had its tentacles into everything.......
     
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    They ARE the new mafia.
     
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    Sounds like the plot from the next Crank movie.
     
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    Interesting words. There was a movie called that. All about oil too.
    And let's not forget the Russian mafia.
     
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    You have to sit back and admire the work of AFP, though. They have politicians arguing to keep the tax cuts on the rich. You know, something that only effects a very small amount of people who already have it all. Not only that, but these tax cuts are extremely expensive and are almost completely unpaid for. Then you have those same politicians preventing anything that benefits less-fortunate people on the basis that they aren't paid for.

    Imagine of they put their influence to the good of the people!
     
  10. Rt&Dzine thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    The good of the people? Ha ha. That would go against everything they stand for. In the 1980s, William F. Buckley, Jr. called their libertarian movement "Anarcho-Totalitarianism".
     
  11. PerfSeeker macrumors 6502a

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    Another predictable PRSI thread bashing conservatives. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
  12. leekohler macrumors G5

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    There's a lot to bash, unless of course, you think this is all made up.

    I suppose you could offer a counter argument, or say this kind of thing along with Beck and Palin is embarrassing, but I won't hold my breath.

    You guys have allowed yourselves to become a national punch line letting people like this speak for you. If you don't like it, maybe it's time to change it.
     
  13. niuniu macrumors 68020

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    David Koch alone is worth 17.5 bill. The Obama admin should go after them head on, I bet he's got a ton of dirt buried over the decades, bound to be able to nail him on something.
     
  14. Rt&Dzine thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    William F. Buckley, Jr. is such a predictable conservative-basher. :rolleyes:
     
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    It's a shame he's gone. But seeing what has become of conservatism now probably would have killed him anyway.
     
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    Criminey, seeing what conservatism has become, I think I actually miss Nixon.
     
  17. Queso macrumors G4

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    The force behind this new Radical Right is not about conservatism. It's about the establishment of an oligarchy in the US to replace democracy. Once the powers of the Federal Government are removed what's the point of a Congress or President? Or a State Governor either? Might as well just abandon elections and let the rich rule everything in perpetuity.

    True conservatives ought to be appalled at this. I guess you're just a CINO.
     
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    Talk about missing the point. Read the article, Koch is peddling influence and trying to further his own interests using the Right and the Tea Party. The article doesn't bash conservatives, rather Jane Mayer (who incidentally wrote a great book about the use of "black sites" to torture people) unearths the connections between AFP, the Tea Party movement, CEI, Cato and other conservative groups. They are all bankrolled by one man whose interests may or may not reflect the interests of the American public at large.

    Read the article.
     
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    Other than crying the conservative victim, what do you have to say for what these people have done in manipulating the people and the government in order to further their business and money making endeavors? The New Yorker article had its facts straight, it seems.

    This is the real trickle-down economics: the money of billionaires has fostered the 'trickling down' of their ideas to the masses. These men are essentially buying the support of the people with the billions they have sunk into campaigns, lobbying, advertising, think tanks and the media.
     
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    No offense, but that would never happen. It's far easier to let the masses think their government is legitimate (with the invisible hands behind such as the Kochs) than to just outright admit whats going on.

    Its always an act of "watch what this hand is doing" while the other is plowing you in the ass. That is the current nature of American Politics, and everyone is to blame for falling for it.
     
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  22. Queso macrumors G4

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    Surely that's only the case if the million a year is in salary. If your assets are appreciating at the value of a million a year, but you only sell 10% of those during that year wouldn't you only pay tax on the profit made on the 10%? That's how it works here in Europe anyway, and it does explain why the percentage of tax compared to wealth appreciation paid by billionaires is so low. I mean, who actually makes $1bn a year? It's all based on valuation of assets.
     
  23. Shivetya macrumors 65816

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    So basically the left is upset the right has the equivalent of their behind the scenes rich people? LOL. Somehow its OK when one side does it to their advantage but not the other.

    Vote Democratic or Republican and you lose.
     
  24. Queso macrumors G4

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    You've missed the point. The Tea Party for example is supposedly a grass-roots movement, yet it turns out the people who formed it, bankrolled it, and even now are its primary influence are those at the very top of American society using it to promote a hidden agenda. Hidden being the operative word here. George Soros is quite open about his political leanings and who he funds. So are many others of the American super-rich, whichever particular movement or party they back.

    So why the secrecy from the Kochs? And why the huge obsessively obscured investment towards policy influence through multiple supposedly unconnected channels? Sounds to me like the thinking behind all this isn't exactly healthy possibly to the point of paranoia, and if so I can see exactly why that's worrying to quite a lot of people.
     
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    Quite, its not as if Bill Gates tries to hide the existence of the Gates foundation for example.
     

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