Putin accuses US of undermining global stability

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    http://news.yahoo.com/putin-accuses-us-undermining-global-stability-130523668.html

    like it or not, it happens to be true, warmonger in chief arming rebels in other nations, things are bound to blow back.
     
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    Well, is not as though we've invaded Georgia or the Ukraine, or supported the Assad regime (which now stands accused of carrying out chemical attacks on its own people).
     
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    Putin is just jealous. We're fighting the fight to keep our empire and he has no shot at one.
     
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    If Putin would like to show some innocent goodwill towards the rest of the world, he could send a hospital ship to West Africa and start helping treat Ebola patients.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/14/crew-british-hospital-ship-sierra-leone-ebola-mission
     
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    Does Putin know that theirs an unseen hand that George Washington fought against? No!
     
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    there will be the day that we get a nasty surprise because we did just that.
     
  8. Peace, Oct 27, 2014
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    Man you keep calling Obama warmonger in chief.

    You do realize Obama is only trying to fix problems created by previous "war mongers" right ?

    Had he done nothing in the mideast that place would be more screwed up than it is now.

    Obama didn't help start Al Qaeda. Reagan did.
    Obama didn't destabilize Iraq. Bush did.
     
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    Why is Obama killing people in Yemen? Why is Obama backing rebels in Syria? Why did Obama throw Qaddafi under the bus and create a power vacuum that resulted in debacles like Benghazi?
     
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    Are you seriously comparing a few americans dying at an embassy to hundreds of thousands dying in Iraq ?

    I am sick and tired of people yelling Benghazi !! Benghazi !!

    People should start yelling Iraq !! Iraq !!
     
  11. Technarchy macrumors 603

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    You don't get to make up your own narrative. Sorry.

    Obama is opening fronts that are completely unnecessary.

    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1745974
     
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    I didn't make up anything. It's in the history books. Read one sometime.

    As far as Putin goes. He's got thousands of troops running around inside a country that just re-elected a pro-western government.

    Screw Putin.
     
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    Syria & Libya were created by the previous war mongers? really?
     
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    Syria and Libya were created by Syrians and Libyans. Obama had nothing to do with the Spring uprising.
     
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    Don't forget the nightmare in Yemen courtesy of Obama.
     
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    he just armed them & bombed Libya to help the rebels out.
    WHAT did Libya or Syria DO to the U.S that warranted Obama arming the rebels there?
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-signs-bill-to-arm-and-train-syrian-rebels/

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/22/world/africa/22powers.html?_r=0
     
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    That question might be best asked of John McCain and his cronies.

    ;)
     
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    nice way to deflect who actually armed them :rolleyes:
     
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    I'm not as good at deflection as some of us here .

    :D
     
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    I know, there is another guy that sidestepped & tap danced all over the definition of war monger.
    :D
     
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    To-day here in Europe we celebrate the fall the Wall.

    As Germany marks fall of the Berlin Wall, Gorbachev warns of new cold war
    Ex-Soviet leader backs Putin over Ukraine as Germany celebrates the 25th anniversary of a seminal moment in European history

    Speaking at a symposium near the Brandenburg Gate yesterday morning, former Soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev warned that the world was “on the brink of a new cold war” and strongly criticised the west for having sown the seeds of the current crisis by mishandling the fallout from the collapse of the iron curtain.

    “Instead of building new mechanisms and institutions of European security and pursuing a major demilitarisation of European politics … the west, and particularly the United States, declared victory in the cold war,” said the man behind the Soviet Union’s glasnost and perestroika reforms.

    “Euphoria and triumphalism went to the heads of western leaders. Taking advantage of Russia’s weakening and the lack of a counterweight, they claimed monopoly leadership and domination in the world.”

    The enlargement of Nato, Kosovo, missile defence plans and wars in the Middle East had led to a “collapse of trust”, said Gorbachev, now 83. “To put it metaphorically, a blister has now turned into a bloody, festering wound.”

    Previously an outspoken critic of Vladimir Putin, Gorbachev backed the current Russian president’s stance over Ukraine, urging western leaders to “consider carefully” Putin’s recent remarks at the Valdai forum : “Despite the harshness of his criticism of the west, and of the United States in particular, I see in his speech a desire to find a way to lower tensions and ultimately to build a new basis for partnership.”

    Such strong words of criticism, voiced by the man still affectionately known as “Gorbi” to many in Germany, came at the end of a week which has seen the value of the rouble tumbling dramatically as a result of western sanctions.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/08/gorbachev-cold-war-threat-berlin-wall-25th-anniversary
     
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    The USA isn't innocent by any means but the fall of the rouble has more to do with the plummeting price of oil, the unwillingness of Russia to invest in its infrastructure and most importantly, diversify its economy. I think it's also fair to say that Russia's current moribund state has as much to do with Putin's iron fisted control of Russian politics. Russia needs to dump Putin and get rid of its oligarchs if it wants a future of any kind.
     
  23. orestes1984, Nov 9, 2014
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    Putin is right, never before have we seen this kind of global instability since the end of the Cold War in 1992. Unfortunately it's the realists out there in America who can't stand the thought of living in a world without bipolarity and will do anything to create, or manufacture an enemy out of the East.

    Heaven help us if the GOP wins office in 2016.

    People in the West would love that one, I'm not a Putin admirer in the least, but when the US continues to push on the boundaries of the former Eastern Bloc and attempts to push further in with the end goal of causing Russia to fracture. I whole heartedly support what Putin is currently doing in the Ukraine and by further distancing itself from the US in trading with China directly removing the $US currency standard.
     
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    I really do think that most people in the west see President Putin, through the wrong eyes.

    It reminds me when the US voted in President Reagan in the 1980’s, here in Europe we all thought a has been actor and wanbee warrior. I moved to the US in 1981 and when there I heard a very different side, even from some democrats, he had restored their pride in their country.
    President Carter might have been a good and nice man, but in the eyes on many of his countrymen, the US was seen as weak and feeble.
    The Iran Embassy was the final straw, but the whole of the 1970’s with Nixon and Watergate, NYC nearly bankrupt, the Japanese car invasion.

    Along came Reagan with that TV spot that promised to put the US back on top.


    The west must understand that Russia to has had a bad couple of decades, and President Putin is like their Reagan.

    I have said in many times on this forum, Russia will fight a nuclear war to defend the Krim.


    IMO the west is making the same mistake as it did with Imperial Germany at the end of WWI, if you humiliate a proud country, it normally comes back to bite you.

    The treaty of Versailles was not a lasting peace treaty it was a cease fire for twenty years.
     

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