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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by jkcerda, Nov 24, 2015.
WWIII coming up
Russia regularly makes provocative moves like this, seems like it was just a matter of time.
Fat's in the fire now....
Provocative move? Are you saying the Russia was trying to test Turkey's air defenses? How about the more obvious explanation that they were busy dropping bombs on Daesh near the border? I don't know if I've ever agreed with Putin before, but, it sure looks like a stab in the back.
The Turks have complained of collateral damage from air attacks on their soil launched from Syria. Mind you, we do not know what happened yet. Maybe the Turks shot down the Russian plane. Maybe it simply had a mechanical malfunction. Or perhaps rebels shot it down. In a way this doesn't matter, for the perception will be that Turkey shot down a Russian plane. The next obvious step in escalation is ... Russian or Syrian fighters shooting down a French, US or allied plane. I hope it doesn't go that far.
The Russians are not going to shoot down a US plane, that's just preposterous.
The problem is that the Russians probably were protecting the Kurds and the Turks don't like them. And that narrative hasn't been played in our media.
I certainly hope so, but we and other countries are violating Syrian air space to bomb IS. I could see Putin, or Assad as Putin's proxy, making a point.
They haphazardly shot down a passenger jetliner, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for them.
That was Russia being stupid and giving weapons to terrorists who ended up using them against civilians not Russia doing it directly. Admittedly what Russia was doing in Ukraine is similar to what we are doing in Syria and it will probably come back to hurt us too.
The feces is now hitting the rotating oscillator...
Looks more like it was Turkey being provocative by shooting down the Russian plane. The Turks see the Kurds as a more immediate threat than ISIS, so they want to obstruct the people fighting ISIS. This will make it much more difficult for the French to get Russia and NATO working together to fight ISIS, and that is exactly what Turkey wants to prevent.
I'm not sure that's true. I thought the Turks see the Kurds as a long-term threat. They certainly would oppose, for instance, Rubio, Cruz, Graham, and Rand Paul's plan of exclusively and heavily arming the Kurds so that they can take care of everything in the region.
I say we just let the Albanians handle it...
Seems like it already has, all we need now is a new Republican president to take this thing to DEFCON 1.
Russia flies planes into the airspace of NATO nations multiple times every year. They do this to test our response time. The UK has gotten so good at scrambling a response that the Russian planes usually don't make it into UK airspace.
They did the same thing four days ago over Scotland. They also it in September. Going back, they did the same thing in April and in May of this year. Russia constantly tests NATO airspace. America is the only nation that doesn't have to deal with this nonsense on a regular basis.
Edit: going back further. September 2014. November 2014. January 2015. February 2015. The BBC even released an article entitled "How to spot a Russian bomber" a "Plane Spotter's Guide".
Europeans have had to put up with this behaviour from Russia for years.
Peculiar, isn't it? We have a NATO nation providing air defense support to ISIS while our allies, the Free Syrian Army, shoot the Russian pilots while they are descending under their parachutes (a war crime, BTW.)
Black is white, night is day, and yesterday is tomorrow. Meanwhile, all we worry about is Black Friday.
None of those incidents seem to refer to Russia flying in UK airspace.
We just had to deal with them buzzing one of our aircraft carriers just last week and had to escort them off, not uncommon for us either. They keep pushing and eventually they're going to find someone who will push back. Putin has Hitler like aspirations IMO and should be checked from time to time.
That is because they don't, they fly near as training drills to probably test the UK response time. Either way this is a completely separate incident.
Just read the news that the russian plane did infact go into turkish territory....for 30 f****' seconds.
Turky are backing isis by killing the kurds, and buying up their juicy under the counter oil. F**turkey.
Their two faced attitude is holding the fight back.
I'm not sure how best to reply to this. Robstevo is correct; they fly right on the edge of UK airspace.
Here's another article worth skimming about how Russian planes "probe" the UK's airspace. They do this to most of NATO's members. They actually flew over Japan a couple of years ago. That prompted Japan to increase its response time dramatically. According to official numbers, Russia and China combined performed these close-encounter tests on Japan 943 times in 2014. They did this once to the US in 2014.
The difference between those incidents and this one is that Turkey has no tolerance for any sort of threat to their airspace.
I'm waiting for someone to blame Obama for this.
have you tried Fox news?
Only if that area had been controlled by Daesh/ISIS and not an moderate rebell group with close ethnic ties to turkey...
I'd say Russia was trying to see how far they could push Turkey in some sort ego/macho/power play, and Turkey decided that their national pride didn't allow them to be pushed.
Russians can be very nationalistic, too.
Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.