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Freg3000

macrumors 68000
Sep 22, 2002
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Finally, it has taken too long for this single App to come out. I was secretly hoping for Adobe to releade ID 3 before Quark got their FIRST OS X version of their app.
 
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julzmon

macrumors member
Jul 17, 2001
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NYC
ind3

I think Adobe is waiting to release InDesign 3 untill Quark has their new version out. That way they could steal all the fanfair from Quark. That is if Quark sucks and InDesign is beyond Quark in features and what not.
 
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Sonofhaig

macrumors regular
Jan 16, 2003
227
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Greenvale, NY
Re: ind3

Originally posted by julzmon
I think Adobe is waiting to release InDesign 3 untill Quark has their new version out. That way they could steal all the fanfair from Quark. That is if Quark sucks and InDesign is beyond Quark in features and what not.

I'm just hoping for a price war between the two! :)
 
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rblum22

macrumors newbie
May 22, 2003
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There is no way Quark 6 is ready for June. Based on nothing but past Quark history, I'd be surprised to see it before September.

It's a shame that Quark has to do so little to maintain it's stranglehold over the DTP market. InDesign is a much better product.
 
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macdong

macrumors 6502
Mar 25, 2003
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Seattle, WA
Re: ind3

Originally posted by julzmon
I think Adobe is waiting to release InDesign 3 untill Quark has their new version out. That way they could steal all the fanfair from Quark. That is if Quark sucks and InDesign is beyond Quark in features and what not.

I think you are right.
Adobe already has the upper hands.
It wouldn't hurt for them to wait after Quark 6 is out.
Then they'll be able to attack directly at Quark's weakness and make more features in the mean time.
Quark is far behind, unless this one is a god-like, they'll lose again.
 
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MM2270

macrumors regular
May 2, 2002
119
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New York
I can believe it

Sad to say, but I think this rumor is true. Quark currently has a Final Candidate released to the beta testers, and we're in the middle of May, so a June (late) release is definitely possible. And how do I know about the Final Candidate? Because I'm part of the beta testers program. Don't get me wrong now, I hate Quark as much as the rest of us, but at the moment, my graphics department hasn't moved to ID, and I'm still not sure we can or will. So, I'm doing what i can to make QuarkXPress 6 a functional app. As it stands now, there are still some big issues Quark has to fix, like the fact that it doesn't work well with font manager apps such as Font Reserve. Previous releases were REALLY bad, but this FC one is a bit better.

I like ID, but Adobe needs to do more ot make the interface easier and more functional IMO. There's just TOO many palettes you need to have open just to use the basic features. Also, I'd actually, believe it or NOT, like to see some XPress 6 features make their way into ID, like synchronized text, and multiple layouts in a project. Those are nice features, truly they are!
 
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vwcruisn

macrumors regular
May 7, 2003
193
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Santa Monica, Ca
Whatever, Quark is lame. But I would like to thank them for taking so long to go to OSX, which made me try out InDesign. I have now seen the light, I might not have if Quark had their sh*t together in the 1st place. Thanks Quark!
 
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AD/CD

macrumors newbie
May 22, 2003
5
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Toronto
InDesign Vs Xpress

Sorry, I really don't understand the great hesitation with ID 2.0. I've personally done six annual reports in InDesign since November.

I will never go back to Xpress. If your in the ad game, and are simply doing single & double page spreads, frankly Illustrator can achieve your needs.

But when it comes to documents with vast amounts of information such as annuals and financials, InDesign is the cats ass. If Adobe implements folders for styles sheets, and advanced table style sheets in 3.0 it will dominate.

I'm sorry if I come off as a shill, but guy's don't wait, make the move, learn the software, the transition is simple.

Your loyalty to Quark and it's outdated software is unwarranted and unfounded.

If your waiting for your film houses and printers to get off their sorry buts, call Adobe, they'll help you find somone that can get the job done.

Cheers,
AC/CD
 
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Chef Ramen

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Dec 21, 2002
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its amazing that a company with one product can survive like that...and they charge so much for it too! i bet that in order to make up for lost revenue, theyll have to charge like $1,500 for the new version.
 
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iJed

macrumors 6502
Sep 4, 2001
264
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West Sussex, UK
I wonder if Quark has got XPress 6.0 looking like a post System 7.0 app yet. From the beta I've seen it still looks like something from the first half of the '90s and lacks basic things like proportional scroll bars. It also does not support proper anti-aliasing on Mac OS X for some reason. In all the time its taken Quark to do the port you would think that they would have redone the graphics display system with Quartz but they don't seem to have! Hopefully the release version will at least fix these basic flaws.
 
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neilt

macrumors regular
May 28, 2002
156
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Phoenix, AZ
Re: InDesign Vs Xpress

Originally posted by AD/CD
Sorry, I really don't understand the great hesitation with ID 2.0. I've personally done six annual reports in InDesign since November.



Well there's your problem man....I will try to explain this to you slowly......November 2002 until May 2003 is only ONE year...


I mean, I could see doing maybe 6 MONTHLY reports........


Man, ID2 must have completely screwed up your Date and Time Preferences

Neil

----sorry..couldn't resist...
:D
 
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beatle888

macrumors 68000
Feb 3, 2002
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quark wasted to much time trying to integrate the print to web tech. i never understood that. who would ever use the same layout for print and web. i dont know. even if quark is a nice product when it comes out i'll still want people to switch to indesign. i dont trust quark anymore. they leave their customers hanging for updates and screws them when they finally come out. actually i guess i should thank quark for not releasing consistant upgrades cause they usually screw things up. can anyone remember the amount of money the industry waisted on rerunning film because of quark 4 bugs? and they charged us $300 for that? :confused: oh and then telling mac users their not interested in us anymore and we should switch to the pc?:confused: whatever.
 
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Macette

macrumors 6502
Mar 5, 2002
472
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Melbourne
Re: Re: ind3

Originally posted by Sonofhaig
I'm just hoping for a price war between the two! :)

Quark's too arrogant for a price war. But when they go into receivorship, I imagine we'll be picking it up in bargain bins all over the place...
 
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Angelus520

macrumors regular
May 22, 2003
133
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Chicago
Quark

I work in Recruiting and my bosses want me to put my design skills to use as a side project. Two problems: I use a PC at work and the marketing department uses Quark on OS9. I'm going to try to see if I can get InDesign, even if it is the PC version since I doubt they'll spring for a Mac or let me use my TiBook. They'll probably sit me down with PC Quark in the end just so I'm using the same thing as the marketing department.

PC Quark. Could there be anything worse???
 
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mactastic

macrumors 68040
Apr 24, 2003
3,681
665
Colly-fornia
YAWN
Bully for the design pro's who haven't been able to migrate completly to OS X yet. It's a much more enjoyable experience.
 
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evoluzione

macrumors 68020
what a lot of you fail to realise, is that there are still many programs that will not run in OS X. think of scanners, of output devices, printing/proofing etc etc. OS 9.2 is a lot faster for a lot of things, i'd much rather use Quark in OS 9 than ID2 in OS X. It's far more productive. I've given ID2 a big chance, but, it doesn't do everything I want as easily as Quark does. Now, I'm not defending Quark here, I just can't stand all this crap. If you read the report they put out, you'd see that they actually have more programs than QuarkXPress. And thy do give a somewhat understandable reason as to why they are so late in bringing us Q6.

I am wondering however, what happens when Panther comes out, will we be waiting a year for an optimised version for that????

Quark will survive, there's thousands of studios that still use it. Don't forget, even in these times of changes and fast advancing standards, the print industry can be very very slow to change.
 
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rainman::|:|

macrumors 603
Feb 2, 2002
5,438
2
iowa
aside from the program's actual functionality, quark as a company deserves to fail miserably because of their inability to adapt to one of the fastest changing industries in the world-- it's purely inexcusable.

i really liked quark. i did. but if i ever need to use anything in that arena, i'd reach for indesign. because i can't support a company that is blatantly neglectful of their entire userbase.

:)
pnw
 
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AD/CD

macrumors newbie
May 22, 2003
5
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Toronto
Re: Re: InDesign Vs Xpress

Originally posted by neilt
Well there's your problem man....I will try to explain this to you slowly......November 2002 until May 2003 is only ONE year...


I mean, I could see doing maybe 6 MONTHLY reports........


Man, ID2 must have completely screwed up your Date and Time Preferences

Neil

----sorry..couldn't resist...
:D

Neilt


Between November 2002 and May 2003 are 7 months. My firm represents over 40 public companies, of which we do about a third of the Annuals. As I said, I personally did 6 in a period of seven months.

Pretty simple to understand. Did you need be to explain it to you?

Your comment makes no sense.
 
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macboy

macrumors regular
Apr 18, 2001
189
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ok..

Quark fans are loyal to Quark.
Adobe fans are loyal to Adobe.
Macromedia fans are loyal to Macromedia.
Apple fans are loyal to Apple

Can't we just live happily together?
 
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neilt

macrumors regular
May 28, 2002
156
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Phoenix, AZ
Re: Re: Re: InDesign Vs Xpress

Originally posted by AD/CD
Neilt


Between November 2002 and May 2003 are 7 months. My firm represents over 40 public companies, of which we do about a third of the Annuals. As I said, I personally did 6 in a period of seven months. Pretty simple to undestand.

Your comment makes no sense.

ad/cd

sorry....i obviously forgot to put the <sarcasam></sarcasm> around my post....
ITS A JOKE...man, I know annual reports can be incredibly boring, but I didn't realize they could destroy your entire sense of humor.

neilt
 
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AD/CD

macrumors newbie
May 22, 2003
5
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Toronto
One last thing.
Quarterly reports are boring, my in-laws are boring, watching paint dry is boring.

But annuals aren't, think of it as a 40 to 100 page advertising campaign, that has to motivate investors, analaysts, work as marketing and brand comunications tool, and their profit margins are huge! Now that's cool.
 
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neilt

macrumors regular
May 28, 2002
156
0
Phoenix, AZ
Originally posted by AD/CD
One last thing.
Quarterly reports are boring, my in-laws are boring, watching paint dry is boring.

what about that crackle paint....that can be kind of cool to watch dry.

neilt
 
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