R.I.P Christopher Hitchens

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    A real excretory orifice, but a good man nonetheless. He will be missed.
     
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    He was a great guy and a great debator. He was the one who actually influenced me to think rationally. I'm going to miss him and his "hitchslaps". :(

    RIP.
     
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    Very sad indeed. I've been a great fan of the man.

    We need more people like him.

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    While I may have disagreed with a lot of what he wrote, I will miss reading him. RIP.
     
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    ‎"If God is actually real, then by now Christopher has convinced him he's not."
     
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    I feel the same, I thought he was wrong about Iraq, but he argued convincingly and thoughtfully.

    It's a shame he's gone.
     
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    That pretty much sums up my view, as well. A superb writer and debater, one who made you think, but a guy who could be a right pain in the neck as well, personally, as well as professionally.
     
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    I woke up this morning, read that, and thought, "why couldn't it have been Peter?"

     
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    Snorts with laughter. Very good. ;)
     
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    Well, I don't like to wish ill on people, but Peter is a spineless creep... in marked contrast to his brother.

    One of my favourites! :)
     
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    I enjoyed his writing in Vanity Fair... here's hoping he's sitting somewhere in the universe shocked beyond belief that his consciousness continues. :)
     
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    From twitter:

    :D
     
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    Hitchens was a supported of the war on Iraq. So, the day they lower the flag (or was it the next day), he checks out. Curious.
     
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    I didn't really know much about him, but a friend linked me to this article about it: http://gawker.com/5868761

    I don't know that it's the best source, and it's a pretty "emotional" (in the sense of opposite to rational) piece, but kinda thought-provoking about who this guy really was...
     
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    There's a lot of nonsense in that piece, and you'd do well to read more widely. Without going into it in too much detail, I'd say that:

    1/ Part of the appeal of the man wasn't so much what he believed (I certainly didn't agree with everything he had to say - like the Iraq war) but in the way he debated what he believed. There are too few people out there willing to discuss unpopular points of view with passion and erudition - but he did that again and again.

    2/ It's difficult to pigeon-hole his ideas. The Gawker article criticises his stance on Iraq, and yet while Hitchens was in favour of the war, his support came from more of a 'big picture' view of the Middle East, rather than just blind support for Bush/Blair. In the 2005 Hitchens article linked to by Gawker, Hitchens lists amongst his hoped-for effects of the war: "The subsequent capitulation of Qaddafi's Libya", "encouragement of democratic and civil society movements in Egypt, Syria, and most notably Lebanon". These aims seem strangely prophetic six years on (and perhaps he was right?).

    3/ The Gawker piece paints Hitchins as a supporter of torture, which is disingenuous in the extreme. Not only did Hitchens subject himself to water boarding as an experiment (youtube link) but then wrote eloquently about it ("Believe Me, It's Torture" - Vanity Fair) - all the while attacking America's use of the technique. If there's just one aspect of the Gawker article that causes you to question their objectivity, Daffodil, this should be it.
     
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    Yeah, these seem like fair points to me. Like I said, I didn't know the man, so I'm happy to get a more nuanced picture than the black or white obituaries seem to paint.

    It seems like many of you place a particular emphasis on this quality of his debate, and that's something I can certainly appreciate :)
     
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    *shrug*
     
  22. appleguy123 thread starter macrumors 604

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    I feel sorry for your loss then. ;)
     
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    MY loss? I've never heard of the guy - I don't feel any particular loss. He obviously meant something to some people who didn't know him personally, I'm just not one of them.
     
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    I believe the inference is your loss of time, Googling.

    And I love the new avatar, appleguy123.
     
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    I was joking. I meant that I felt sorry that you never knew him before he died.
     

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