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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by koulmj, Dec 30, 2017.
PR has been letting themselves down for decades. Their blight has nothing to do with Trump. He had resources positioned off-shore for them prior the winds hitting them.
Nothjng to do with Trump? He is President isn’t he? Isn’t his job to over sea the entire country?
I reject your statement on the grounds thatTrump is responsible for EVERYTHING that happens over the next 3years in the Unisted States and its interests overseas.
Of course you do. The ability to remove personal bias and critically think about a problem is an acquired skill.
and PR Owns what they were prior to the hurricane too; not Trump. their infrastructure sucked before and now they are looking for a handout to rebuild what they let go for so long.
But it's the presidents job to remove personal bias and think critically. If he can't do that why is he president.
How is a commonwealth of US territory looking for a handout in a time of crisis? Please explain
Maybe PR should stop paying billions of federal taxes a year.
Trump made Bush's handling of Katrina look like a cakewalk. Getting tired of Republicans blaming the poor for tragedies that happen on their soil, they were/are without water, food and basic amenities while Trump Conservatives sit here and bitch about them form their comfy homes after eating a nice big meal. Really guys, have you no shame?
We've covered in great detail how the whole blame Puerto Rico for it's ills is a weak counterpoint. The US and it's financial institutions had a large hand in PR's previous woes that have contributed to making their disaster worse. What is hilarious is the amount of deflecting by those who are quick to cry 'Obama's Katrina', but somehow want to make the case that any disasters that occur on 45's watch are not his. Checking a few past threads you can find the sourcing that shows how casually half aped this administration took towards Puerto Rico.
Paper towels anyone?
Trump needs to pull his finger out and help the people of PR recover. If he can't take care of Amercia's own, then he doesn't deserve the job. The buck stops with him.
But he only wants to help his rich friends save money. He doesn't care about those beneath him.
Saw a tweet today from a guy who was at the hospital with his mom. The nurse was administering medicine by slowly pressing a syringe into the tube in Mom's arm. Why? Because they were low on IV bags, which they normally got from Puerto Rico. The hospital was here in the continental US.
He tossed out Brawny towels, the softest and most absorbent. I figured his job was done.
When did PR become a state?
That's right, never, because they keep voting not to be a state. Largely because they don't want to pay federal personal income tax, and who can blame them, but when you opt out, you can't both have cake and eat it.
Okay, so the US should give up claiming that PR is one of its territories and let them become a fully autonomous country.
Until that happens, the US needs to take care of its own — which includes PR.
Wow... in some some circumstances pushing drugs manually rather than through a drip can be dangerous. You'd think they'd at least have a pump.
Won't happen, they owe too much.
They were insolvent before this hurricane, allowed their energy infrastructure to degrade to the breaking point, and then a hurricane wiped them out. They are going to need to be patient while thousands of utility poles are manufactured off the island and shipped to them. This is costing the US taxpayers billions.
NY Times had a good summary on materials last week. Another story, which I can't find, mentioned Large Power Transformers (LPT) take months to manufacture.
What’s taking so long?
“The sheer amount of work,” said José E. Sánchez, an engineer at the corps who leads the power restoration task force. “The first time I saw it, I thought: ‘This is going to take a long time.’”
The damage to an already outdated and poorly maintained grid was comprehensive. Lines went down, poles snapped, towers fell and substations flooded. There are 30,000 miles of electrical line in Puerto Rico, and about 63 percent of it was affected.
To underscore the scope of the work: Almost 50,000 power poles need to be repaired or replaced. Add 500 towers to that. And the towers are so heavy that helicopters cannot carry them, so they have to be installed in stages. It can take up to 10 days just to finish one.
And some of the supplies, such as the 30,000 power poles that were ordered on Oct. 6 — 16 days after the storm — are beginning to arrive only now. Some 400 miles of cable are expected to reach the island in the next two weeks, Mr. González said.
You do mean to include the US taxpayers in PR right? Like how when disasters happen in the continental US the people of Puerto Rico's tax dollars are used there, right?
As we've covered before the US and it's bankers had a considerable contribution to the degradation of PR's infrastructure. Vulture funds from Wall Street played an important part in preying upon PR's ills.
So do states like Arkansas, who takes in more than they pay in taxes, but you don’t hear people telling Arkansas to **** off.
By taxpayers I'm referring to those who pay federal income tax.
The government of PR are big boys and girls, they can decide if they want to take a loan from Wall Street.
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Puerto Rico isn't a state, they voted against it so they wouldn't have to pay federal income taxes.
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And yet PR payed in about $4billion in taxes to the Federal Government, which puts it in the range of Vermont and Wyoming in terms of tax dollars into the Federal gov't.
So the US didn't use or continue to use any of Puerto Rico's dollars paid into the treasury?
They can decide when forced into dealing with vulture funds because the US Congress often played games when it came to any kind of aid. It just means they were forced to make bad decisions for good reasons. Does this absolve them of any blame? No. It also doesn't make every decision they made a completely foolhardy one.
Bottom line is that Puerto Rico is a commonwealth of the United States. It's citizens are US citizens, it's chief of state is also the 45th president of the United States. In the United States there is a very popular phrase we take to heart, "We take care of our own?. Seemingly that's up to change if money & politics are involved.