check out this xbench compare. http://ladd.dyndns.org/xbench/merge.xhtml?doc1=55657&doc2=54835 the one in red is my blue and white with a radeon 7000 pci card in the 66mhz pci slot vs a agp 2x sawtooth which has a radeon 8500. look at all the graphic oriented scores. mine comes out a good amount faster in many of those tests. I know my G4 cpu is 100MHz faster but this sawtooths graphics bus and card blow mine away so how is it that mine is faster? its not that this bothers me I would just like to know what I am doing right to make this happen.