Radio 1 censors Pogues' Fairytale

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Are they right to bleep out "******"?

  1. Yes, it's out of order

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  2. No, it's political correctness gone mad

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  1. edesignuk Moderator emeritus

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    The Beeb.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Queso macrumors G4

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    Stupid. Really really stupid. Firstly, the word ****** has no negative connotations towards homosexuals in the UK, so by doing this Radio One is supporting US cultural imperialism. Secondly, it just gives ammunition to those that genuinely believe there is a Gay Agenda out to wreck society.

    Sometimes the BBC needs a good kick up the arse.
     
  3. Jaffa Cake macrumors Core

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    I'll say it again, I'm proper appalled. I'll gladly join the queue to give the beeb a kick up the arse, if I'm allowed to say arse of course.
     
  4. scotthayes macrumors 68000

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    Would appear that you can say arse as they have left the line

    "Happy Christmas your arse, I pray God it's our last."

    And this is what I think off when I hear the word faggots.
     

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  6. djellison macrumors 68020

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    They're stupid to censor that.. BUT..I do think that songs they genuinely NEED to be censored shouldn't get played at all between 0600 and 2100 instead of the blatently obvious fueeep biteeep etc etc.

    Doug
     
  7. Applespider macrumors G4

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    I'd almost understand if they'd been bleeping it out for years but to suddenly start seems odd. Even more so that the other BBC stations are going to keep the original? :confused:
     
  8. Abstract macrumors Penryn

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    I voted "Yes, it's offensive."

    However, if the word ****** doesn't have the same meaning as it does in North America, Australia, and numerous other places, then I wish I could take my vote back. It's only offensive if the word is one that's used that way in a particular country. And besides, the ban isn't just on that word. The line "an old slut on junk" has also been edited.

    It also depends on the age group of the people listening to it. If it's on Radio 1 and a child of any age can listen to it, AND the audience is entirely American, where this word is really only used in an offensive way, then sure, I can understand why someone would want to pull the 2 or 3 offensive lines out.

    If it isn't seen as offensive in the UK, and is an old favourite at Christmas that many people have heard of already, then who cares? Why bother? Is an American running BBC Radio 1 now?
     
  9. scotthayes macrumors 68000

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    See my other post to understand what a ****** is in the UK. And who cares what the Americans think (not aimed at you Abstract), The first B in BBC stands for British!!!
     
  10. OllyW Moderator

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    +1

    How come it's taken them 20 years to notice :confused:
     
  11. bartelby macrumors Core

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    Because all the 'erberts who think it's a happy Christmas song have only just listened to the lyrics...
     
  12. teleromeo macrumors 65816

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    I love this song, with all the words in it.
    There was a flemish interpretation that got quite a lot of airplay over here on the radio some years ago and I remember there were a lot of offending words in it. They were never beeped out, I loved that part enormousely...
     
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    well, on the positive side, at least the BBC made me dig out the pogues from my itunes collection and re-listen to them after a long time.

    i don't think i ever heard this song played in the christmas rotation in the US.
    i like it a lot, but i never realized it was so popular in the UK.

    great song-writing. the insults are an integral part of what the characters and their relation are, so it's dum to edit them out, especially 20 ys later.

    i like how it addresses the shattering of the american dream, the ruined lives and still it ends in a sort of bittersweet upbeat mode

     
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    Words are just words. It's when the words turn into actions that things get out of control.

    see U.S. v. The World
     
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    :confused:
    do you randomly post this same line in a different thread every day?
     
  17. edesignuk thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    Heard this in the car on the radio, glad they've reversed their decision.
     
  18. Unspeaked macrumors 68020

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    I'd rather it wasn't played at all than censored...
     
  19. toontra macrumors 6502

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    Call me a cynic but this smacks of a PR stunt to promote current record sales and gigs, and someone at the BBC is in on the act.
     
  20. Hello.there macrumors 6502a

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    :confused:

    Of course it does! If you say to a gay man in the UK "you ****** you" I doubt he thinks you're calling him a bundle of sticks.
     
  21. solvs macrumors 603

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    You could be calling him a cigarette :p but I'm glad someone else remembers what the word really means.
     
  22. djellison macrumors 68020

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    They probably didn't want to offend Kate Moss and Amy Winehouse.

    '******' is about as offensive as 'Queen' I'd say. -i.e. only offensive when it's obviously supposed to be.

    Doug
     
  23. Queso macrumors G4

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    Oh I'm sure it could be if used that way, but I've never once heard anyone use it, not even groups of oh-so-hard teenagers who listen to rap music and think they're the shizz (or whatever). Probably because by using it they're actually talking about meatballs, and even if they shorten it they're calling someone a cigarette. It makes them sound completely stupid, so instead they use alternatives that won't potentially have their friends laughing at them.

    Which is just another reason why the BBC were idiots for censoring out the word in the first place. They're in danger of giving the word a power it doesn't currently have.
     
  24. Schtumple macrumors 601

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    It's been fine for the passed 20(?) years, why change it now...

    I love how the Chris Moyles show took the piss out of this for ages :D
     
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