Raising a vegan baby: Parents say abuse cases give a bad rap

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There's a right way and a wrong way to raise a baby on vegan food. Those who get it wrong, parents say, give the responsible ones a bad name.

A Pennsylvania mother claiming to be vegan was charged this month with child endangerment for feeding her baby nothing but small amounts of nuts and berries. In Italy, after a number of vegan babies required hospitalization for malnourishment, a lawmaker this summer proposed a bill that would make it a crime to feed children under 16 a vegan diet.

Those cases are not about veganism at all, but are instead about neglect, say parents who are raising their children vegan. Pinning bad parenting on vegan diets, some say, unfairly stigmatizes those who have done their homework and are safely raising their babies without feeding them animal products like meat and dairy.
Vegans & cross fitters are nuts, that out of the way kid looks "healthy" . seems some of the nutters do put kids at risk
The ideal first food for babies is breast milk, Magge said. Many vegan moms opt to breastfeed, but for those who can't or don't, the only other option is a soy-based formula.

Key nutrients for babies are Vitamin B-12 and Vitamin D, as well as iron, zinc and calcium, Magge said. Getting enough B-12, which comes from milk and eggs, is a specific concern in the vegan diet, since a shortage can lead to neurological problems.
 
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Like the negligence that lead to an infant's death?!!!!!

Asinine...

And, no, nobody needs to use links -- people can use a search engine and input the four simple words necessary to retrieve a plethora of results.

Besides, veganism is technically impossible - they say anything from an animal or its byproducts are off limits. Which is a shame that fertilizer comes from animals, the ultimate byproduct for creating tasty new vegetables unless they have their own gardens large enough to put food on their families for an entire year (hint: they don't even begin to nor could afford it). So they must be saying "Oh ****" by now... Ditto for petrochemical fertilizers since, oops, oil was said to be made from dinosaurs. There's a dump the size of King Kong as a result of their reading that, too.
 

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Damn, I haven't had a steak in weeks and now I really want one.

To be fair though, the vegetarians and vegans I know mainly just don't want to contribute to animal death or suffering, which I think is noble. As a meat eater I have to accept the death part, but I sure don't like the suffering part. I try to buy meat from decent suppliers and avoid chicken from the South as much as possible.

When a state's response to farm animal cruelty being caught on tape is to make it illegal to tape farm animal cruelty, then I don't want to buy meat from that state any more. I don't want to support that practice with my money and I don't want to eat the product because I find the practice disgusting.
 

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A baby's development is more important than their lifestyle choices and ideologies. On top of that, a child should be free to eat different foods. It's one thing to teach them to eat healthy and properly as all parents should do, it's another thing to force your ideas on them and prevent them from even trying other food in the first place. It's definitely abuse in every sense of the word.

Also, soy milk shouldn't even be an option for developing children if breast milk isn't an option. There's too many variables regarding phytoestrogens that could possibly have an adverse effect on their growth. Non-soy formula is a better option, although nothing will compare to breast milk.
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To be fair though, the vegetarians and vegans I know mainly just don't want to contribute to animal death or suffering, which I think is noble. As a meat eater I have to accept the death part, but I sure don't like the suffering part. I try to buy meat from decent suppliers and avoid chicken from the South as much as possible.
Same. No issues with meat, but I do care how the animals were treated before they were killed, which is why I get mostly everything from a local farmer.
 

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Vegans & cross fitters are nuts, that out of the way kid looks "healthy" . seems some of the nutters do put kids at risk
Our neighbor went all in on the vegan/crossfit craze. She lost weight, toned up and got smoking hot. Then she got really sick and ended up in the hospital over a B12 deficiency. She still does her cross fit thing, but the vegan thing shredded her. Now she's also been diagnosed with Celiac disease. She's just a mess.
 
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Our neighbor went all in on the vegan/crossfit craze. She lost weight, toned up and got smoking hot. Then she got really sick and ended up in the hospital over a B12 deficiency. She still does her cross fit thing, but the vegan thing shredded her. Now she's also been diagnosed with Celiac disease. She's just a mess.
Sounds like a thyroid/hormonal problem, which is usually the cause of B12 issues. She should permanently stay away from gluten with Celiac disease.
 
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Ugh. I hate reading stuff about this. Like the parents would decide to treat meningitis with maple syrup and strawberries. In theory I suppose you could make a "vegan" diet work, but that requires adequate dietary education, especially considering children and adults have different dietary needs.

I've seen a number of malnourished vegan/vegetarians as a result of their unbalanced diet. It's not a good situation in adults and malnutrition in children can have a lifelong effects.

Ultimately a diet is a lifestyle choice. How one lives their life should be guided by the parents but ultimately determined by the child. Negative health consequences until then are the responsibility of the parent.

It is an interesting argument though. There are parents who feed their children candy and soda and fast food three times a day breeding obese diabetic unhealthy offspring. These of course are of course associated with negative health outcomes. I suppose it's better to overfeed than underfeed though.
 
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Life choices like that should be left to the child later on in life.
 

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If the child is healthy who cares. If not then that's an issue.

But it's also an issue if parents don't give their children a balanced diet.
 

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If the child is healthy who cares. If not then that's an issue.

But it's also an issue if parents don't give their children a balanced diet.
Devils Advocate: If you feed your kid a smorgasbord if unhealthy food their entire childhood, especially if they are obese and develop health consequences, are the parents still responsible for not providing a balanced diet?
 

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Sounds like a thyroid/hormonal problem, which is usually the cause of B12 issues. She should permanently stay away from gluten with Celiac disease.
Yeah she's a mess. When they come over we have to be real careful on what we plan.

B12 is a known vegan problem. Gluten is a different matter. She got what she wanted, her high school figure back, but it was a hell of a price.
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Ugh. I hate reading stuff about this. Like the parents would decide to treat meningitis with maple syrup and strawberries. In theory I suppose you could make a "vegan" diet work, but that requires adequate dietary education, especially considering children and adults have different dietary needs.

I've seen a number of malnourished vegan/vegetarians as a result of their unbalanced diet. It's not a good situation in adults and malnutrition in children can have a lifelong effects.

Ultimately a diet is a lifestyle choice. How one lives their life should be guided by the parents but ultimately determined by the child. Negative health consequences until then are the responsibility of the parent.

It is an interesting argument though. There are parents who feed their children candy and soda and fast food three times a day breeding obese diabetic unhealthy offspring. These of course are of course associated with negative health outcomes. I suppose it's better to overfeed than underfeed though.
Are you serious? Syrup and Strawberrys? Dear God.
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I suppose people like this don't vaccinate their child either?
I'd imagine a large sum of them.
 

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If the child is healthy who cares. If not then that's an issue.

But it's also an issue if parents don't give their children a balanced diet.
Agreed. I don't eat meat, but I don't care if other people do. I will say I have no love for insecure people on either spectrum, either the giant idiot "I LUV MAH MEAT" or the snarky pretentious vegan.
 
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B12 is a known vegan problem.
Yep ... animals are pretty much THE source for B12. Vegans either need to eat foods fortified with B12 or take supplements ... although fortified foods aren't particularly healthy. Vegans mean well, but they have a lot of obstacles to overcome to get the proper nourishment, which is why it's astronomically stupid to force a vegan diet on a developing child ... especially with how important B12 is in regards to DNA and the nervous system. Putting your child at risk because of a forced lifestyle choice is completely irresponsible. If a kid wants to choose that lifestyle when they get older, that's completely up to them, not the parent. It's okay to teach good eating habits, but there needs to be some responsibility and understanding when it comes to child development.


Agreed. I don't eat meat, but I don't care if other people do. I will say I have no love for insecure people on either spectrum, either the giant idiot "I LUV MAH MEAT" or the snarky pretentious vegan.
Yeah, that's frustrating.