Rand Paul: Jail people who attend political speeches

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by yg17, Jun 2, 2011.

  1. yg17 macrumors G5

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    What? I thought the Paulies were all about the Constitution and freedom and all that jazz? I thought they were all about defending civil liberties? And I thought they were all for small government not interfering with our lives?

    Guess not.

    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/05/31/232182/rand-paul-criminalize-speech/

    So if attending a speech of someone who is promoting a violent overthrow of our government warrants deportation or imprisonment, can we start with the people who attended Sharron Angle rallies?
     
  2. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    That is just wrong.

    Our Freedom of speech gives us that right to be allowed to do that.

    Now I would not object to people who go to those being watch more carefully and have possible red flags on them but those flags should not put you on some no flys list or get in the way of other rights or even effect your daily activities in any way. Just more a note saying keep an eye on this person. Mostly all I am saying is those people who go might be targets for more deep background checks to see if there are any other flags. Otherwise not worth the time and money.
     
  3. edifyingGerbil macrumors regular

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    Well in the case of Islamists which he used the overthrow of secular governments is inherent in their holy texts; it's a divine commandment to make "allah's rule supreme".

    So, you either misunderstand or you're just republican bashing. I don't think he'd deport people who attend a socialist rally, otherwise the undergrad populations at most universities would be decimated :(
     
  4. AP_piano295 macrumors 65816

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    Luckily for us most Muslims are in your words "bad Muslims"

    Just like most Christians are "bad Christians" and most Jews are "bad Jews" and the avoid doing all the crazy horse **** that you find in religious texts.
     
  5. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Ah- so he's for picking and choosing which groups and POV's are jailable? Really? What does that sound like?

    Fact is that the Pauls are not what they claim to be and never have been. They talk a good game though- out of both sides of their mouths- actually, out of both sides of their asses.
     
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    Is that possible?
     
  7. edifyingGerbil macrumors regular

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    It's logical. Socialists who demand the overthrow of the government, or constitutionalists who are threatening violent overthrow are different to islamists because socialists et all don't believe secular laws and thus democracy are blasphemous and that they should only follow laws sent down from their god. Paul even says in the quote provided that "you might have to indirectly take into account whether or not they’ve been going to radical political speeches by religious leaders." It's about political religious speeches (which tend to occur more in islam because islam is a political and religious movement; year one in islam isn't the birth of muhammad, it's the hijra, when they took over medina and came to rule) more than other political speeches.

    You may not like to hear this but all cultures aren't equal, some really should be consigned to the dustbin of history. Who decides which to keep and which to throw away? Well, the cultures/ideologies which try to take freedoms away from us should be first on the list.

    As a homosexual islam should be the last "minority" you'd want to ally yourself with.
     
  8. skunk macrumors G4

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    The first on whose list?
     
  9. edifyingGerbil macrumors regular

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    I don't know, I forgot what I wrote but I'm sure I included it in my post. Try reading it again?
     
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    I'm sure you can scroll up too.
     
  11. leekohler macrumors G5

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    "Ally myself with"?

    Look here- I am the enemy of ALL religion. I hate it all equally. However, this is the United States of America. We have certain freedoms here that should NEVER be taken away just because we don't agree with certain people. Political rallies and speech should always be protected. ACTIONS are what get people into trouble, not words.

    BTW- who exactly is trying to take away freedoms here? Sounds like Rand Paul to me. He wants to start with freedom of speech.
     
  12. edifyingGerbil macrumors regular

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    islam demands action. Youth become "radicalised" at mosques and at speeches by islamist leaders, then they run away to Pakistan or Afghanistan or Somalia where they undergo terrorist training and learn how to make bombs. Just today a Somalian from Minnesota performed a suicide attack at an African Union peace corps base in Somalia.

    If they had implemented something like Paul's proposal these things would be less common. His proposal isn't perfect either, but there has to be something because as I said islam preaches the violent overthrow of secular government
     
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    Sounds ironic.
     
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    Oh Christ- really? Here we go again with people who think they know everything about a particular religion. Maybe you haven't noticed how Christianity is threatening to overthrow government here? Christianity demands action too. Shall we throw them in jail as well? Might want to take a look at that before you go around crying about a few Muslims, about whom you don't know much, and can't seem to bother to go learn.
     
  15. IntelliUser macrumors 6502

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    It's not Islam that's a threat to the Western world, it's Islamophobes.
    First they rob people of their money with useless wars, then of their privacy with things like the Patriot Act, then they start discriminating based on religion or color, and now they want to take your freedom of speech.
    All of this because their imaginary friend is not called Allah.

    **** you Rand Paul.
     
  16. codymac macrumors 6502

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    Well... we'd have start with the group posing the larger threat.
    ;)
     
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    Then we just keep going til no one's left. Perfect. :)
     
  18. edifyingGerbil macrumors regular

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    I think the ignorant one here is you. Everything accusation about islam's violence and supremacist intentions I back up with scripture. No one has been able to refute any of my points, they merely prevaricate and obfuscate. Someone denied there was such a thing as abrogation in islam even though it's a central tenet of their theology.

    I studied islam extensively, have you studied it or bothered to read about it? It sounds like the answer is no, thus you shouldn't accuse others of the crime you are guilty of.

    Bringing Christians into this shows how utterly intellectually bankrupt you are, and devoid of any sort of objective viewpoint.
     
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    Islam isnt anymore dangerous than any other ideology, I would say the vast majority of "Muslim" terrorists aren't doing it because of their religion as much as because their are fed up with their dictatorships and with the US supporting said dictatorships, notice how most of the 9/11 hijackers where Saudis they where willing to attack the US not because of Islam but because the US was messing in the affairs of their own country. Islam was just a convenient rallying cry to push already angry people over the edge, but any belief system can do that, you had the crusades and inquisition with Christianity, I know Hindus in India have attacked Muslims, Stalin tried to push for an atheist nation so he tried to kill anyone who was religious, hitler used extreme nationalism to accomplish his goals, and the list could go on. But my point is it's not logical to say one group is more dangerous than others the only ones who are dangerous are the people who want power they will twist whatever belief there is to give themselves that power.
     
  20. edifyingGerbil macrumors regular

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    It is logical to say one group is more dangerous when, as I said earlier, that group has as its mission statement, as a divine commandment from god, the overthrow of secular government/laws and the imposition of allah's sharia law and the conversion/subjugation of the entire world.

    Christians and Jews lack this divine commandment, Jesus even said render unto caesar that which is caesar's and unto God that which is God's (an argument for separation of church and state). Thus, Christians and Jews aren't as dangerous.

    Edit: You're wrong about 9/11, bin laden offered the government the chance to convert, they declined, so he tried to subdue them and "strike terror into their hearts" or "be made victorious through terror" as is mandated by the qur'an and hadith respectively
     
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    Yes, I have studied Islam- in college. I delved pretty deeply into all religions. That's how I ended up an atheist- they're all utterly ridiculous.

    Not at all. Have you read the Bible? The same things you said about Islam can be said for it as well. You cannot sit here and say that freedom of speech should be taken away from one particular group and then say it shouldn't from another that is advocating the exact same things.

    Extremism is the problem, not a particular religion.
     
  22. edifyingGerbil macrumors regular

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    If you had really studied all religions you would know the crucial difference between islam and Christianity which is they are not equivalent in their jurisprudence and theology.

    Thus the rest of your argument is hogwash, either you have studied and know the differences between the two and you're willfully ignoring it in which case no amount of persuasion will change your mind or you're lying and haven't read up on all religions in which case again there is no point in arguing because you don't want to learn, you just want to bash all religions for the sake of it.

    Extremism is inherent in islam, thus islam is the problem.
     
  23. Macky-Mac macrumors 68030

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    Perhaps you need to study our constitution as well. While it may distress you, muslims have as much of a right to free speech as you do.
     
  24. codymac macrumors 6502

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    Let me know when Islam co-opts one of our two parties. I'd like to know when to start to be concerned.
     
  25. edifyingGerbil macrumors regular

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    No, I agree with you there. That's how eventually democracies fall and become more islamic. Look at what's happening to Ethiopia, what has happened to Lebanon, as the population of muslims increase the area becomes "restive" which is news slang for an increase in jihadi activity.

    Fortunately I'll be long dead when that happens, but still like all good freedom fighters I try and spread the word.


    lol, they appear to have co-opted the Democrats. Holder and the DoJ have refused to prosecute numerous unindicted co-conspirators in the Holy Land Foundation case; not to mention all of their community outreach programs...
     

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