Really disappointed in the new sleep monitor.

[steve knight]

as a smart watch hI love my Apple Watch but as a sports watch it is lacking. I finally bought a garmin watch to record my cycling because my Apple Watch would die and it did not get all my info like cadence and more heart rate info. well there gramin also records sleep and it gives you all the info awake time and rem and deep and light sleep and your blood ox info. so I set my Apple Watch up for sleep and I wore both of them last night. only Saturday was from the Appel watch the rest are from the garmin. but here are the details you get with garmin verses Apple Watch. its a huge difference. my wife is blind and I set it up for her and the graph does not give her any info at all in VoiceOver.

 

[Significant1]

Just install another sleeptracker on your phone. You don't even have to install it on the watch, they analyse on data Apple is already collecting from the watch. It was the same before watchOS7.

edit. Thread about other sleeptrackers.

Best sleep tracking app?

I’m finding out now with watch os7 that the sleep mode apple Has only really keeps track of how long you are in bed are there any apps for the watch that tell you more about your sleeping?

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[steve knight]

Just install another sleeptracker on your phone. You don't even have to install it on the watch, they analyse on data Apple is already collecting from the watch. It was the same before watchOS7.

ya that would work. I noticed I lost about 20% of the battery while wearing it. the garmin after all my riding would and wearing it at night would be around 50%

 

[Apple_Robert]

You already knew the stock Sleep app was rudimentary and didn’t show all the different stages of sleep etc. Don’t know why you are disappointed after the fact. Did you not believe us when you asked previously? The app wasn’t designed to show all the different stats.

 

[richard371]

It’s horrible. Mainly because you can’t calibrate it. I turned it off and sue autosleep. Far better app.

 

[steve knight]

You already knew the stock Sleep app was rudimentary and didn’t show all the different stages of sleep etc. Don’t know why you are disappointed after the fact. Did you not believe us when you asked previously? The app wasn’t designed to show all the different stats.

no I had no clue this is the first time I used it. I just tried one VoiceOver sucks in it. garmin works better. not sure if I feel like trying to find a gpop0d sleep app when the garmin works so well out f the box

 

[menist]

I got the same feeling, I’m back to using AutoSleep.

 

[edhchoe]

I was surprised apple app was so lacking also. But that leaves room for the developers. I use Pillow app and it is more detailed.

 

[ericg301]

Like most, I was interested in seeing how Apple would natively treat this feature that many of us having been using for years via 3rd part apps. And after 2 nights, I’m back to AutoSleep. The native tracking requires far more work, for far less data and insights.

It’s good that Apple now has sleep tracking as a native feature. But like most of the their native apps/features, there are superior 3rd party options for power users.

It’s no different than how I’ve replaced most of Apple’s stock apps with superior 3rd parties. Fantastical instead of calendar/reminders, Carrot instead of weather, Gmail instead of mail, waze instead of maps, etc.

 

[ipoddin]

I was just thinking the same thing this morning. I tried Pillow last night and compared results to Apple Watch sleep app. The differences are significant. The only thing they both matched on was time asleep. Otherwise Apple’s sleep app doesn’t tell you much more info. It’s sorely lacking and barely better than sleep tracking just with your phone.

Pillow, on the other hand, gives you details like Fitbit does. It might be worth paying for.

 

[Apple_Robert]

I was just thinking the same thing this morning. I tried Pillow last night and compared results to Apple Watch sleep app. The differences are significant. The only thing they both matched on was time asleep. Otherwise Apple’s sleep app doesn’t tell you much more info. It’s sorely lacking and barely better than sleep tracking just with your phone.

Pillow, on the other hand, gives you details like Fitbit does. It might be worth paying for.

I use Pillow and really like it. Although the subscription is $30 a year, they usually have a sale around November / December for 70% off, which is what i did. It only cost $7.38 that way.

 

[Rogifan]

I was just thinking the same thing this morning. I tried Pillow last night and compared results to Apple Watch sleep app. The differences are significant. The only thing they both matched on was time asleep. Otherwise Apple’s sleep app doesn’t tell you much more info. It’s sorely lacking and barely better than sleep tracking just with your phone.

Pillow, on the other hand, gives you details like Fitbit does. It might be worth paying for.

I wonder if Apple is intentionally being basic so as not to ‘Sherlock’ 3rd party sleep tracking apps. Or they just weren’t ready with more than a basic tracker.

 

[Picapau21]

as a smart watch hI love my Apple Watch but as a sports watch it is lacking. I finally bought a garmin watch to record my cycling because my Apple Watch would die and it did not get all my info like cadence and more heart rate info. well there gramin also records sleep and it gives you all the info awake time and rem and deep and light sleep and your blood ox info. so I set my Apple Watch up for sleep and I wore both of them last night. only Saturday was from the Appel watch the rest are from the garmin. but here are the details you get with garmin verses Apple Watch. its a huge difference. my wife is blind and I set it up for her and the graph does not give her any info at all in VoiceOver. View attachment 955794View attachment 955792View attachment 955795

I have used a Garmin for a few years and those sleep metrics stop being interesting after a while. In reality I have no way of knowing whether they are accurate or not and they never impacted anything I did during the day. I spend the last year only looking at the total sleep duration.

 

[ericg301]

I wonder if Apple is intentionally being basic so as not to ‘Sherlock’ 3rd party sleep tracking apps. Or they just weren’t ready with more than a basic tracker.

They talked about this at WWDC. go back and watch the video. They didn’t want to overwhelm people with info that they can’t act upon. They want to focus more on overall trends rather than micro details.

 

[steve knight]

I have used a Garmin for a few years and those sleep metrics stop being interesting after a while. In reality I have no way of knowing whether they are accurate or not and they never impacted anything I did during the day. I spend the last year only looking at the total sleep duration.

true its nice to see it once in awhile my wife is really hooked. canany9ne test pillow with VoiceOver see if you can get deals with VoiceOver?

 

[borez]

They talked about this at WWDC. go back and watch the video. They didn’t want to overwhelm people with info that they can’t act upon. They want to focus more on overall trends rather than micro details.

Apart from this, there are also difficulties in measuring sleep stages accurately with wrist devices.

 

[matrix07]

I have used a Garmin for a few years and those sleep metrics stop being interesting after a while. In reality I have no way of knowing whether they are accurate or not and they never impacted anything I did during the day. I spend the last year only looking at the total sleep duration.

Exactly this. You have data but how do you know it’s accurate?

I’m using both Apple sleep tracking and AutoSleep so I get cover both ways anyway. When Apple improve it the data will be there.

 

[AXone1814]

Like most, I was interested in seeing how Apple would natively treat this feature that many of us having been using for years via 3rd part apps. And after 2 nights, I’m back to AutoSleep. The native tracking requires far more work, for far less data and insights.

It’s good that Apple now has sleep tracking as a native feature. But like most of the their native apps/features, there are superior 3rd party options for power users.

It’s no different than how I’ve replaced most of Apple’s stock apps with superior 3rd parties. Fantastical instead of calendar/reminders, Carrot instead of weather, Gmail instead of mail, waze instead of maps, etc.

I’m interested how you feel the native one requires more work when after the initial set up it’s completely automated.

 

[ericg301]

It’s not automated though. If you want to sleep outside of your established sleep window, you have to manually start bedtime mode. And then you have to bounce around the health app, alarm app and sleep app on the phone.

Autosleep IMO is much simpler to setup, the name is true (the auto part) and gives a plethora of data.

 

[Rogifan]

They talked about this at WWDC. go back and watch the video. They didn’t want to overwhelm people with info that they can’t act upon. They want to focus more on overall trends rather than micro details.

Right but is that just their marketing spin because either their work on more detailed sleep analytics isn’t ready or because they don’t want to put a bunch of 3rd party apps out of business?

 

[ipoddin]

Right but is that just their marketing spin because either their work on more detailed sleep analytics isn’t ready or because they don’t want to put a bunch of 3rd party apps out of business?

It’s so that next year for iOS 15 they can come out with sleep 2.0 with tracking for awake time, rem sleep, deep sleep, etc. It’s a typical cycle. Release a bare minimum product so you can add features on a yearly basis that every other app already has.

Sells more hardware that way.

 

[jw214]

Have any of you tried the hardware sleeptrackers that slip underneath the mattress? I think Apple bought Beddit a couple years ago, but haven't seen if they've updated that hardware. Withings and Tempurpedic apparently have sleeptrackers too that you don't have to wear.

 

[techtechtech]

Have any of you tried the hardware sleeptrackers that slip underneath the mattress? I think Apple bought Beddit a couple years ago, but haven't seen if they've updated that hardware. Withings and Tempurpedic apparently have sleeptrackers too that you don't have to wear.

I am interested to know this also, been using Sleepwatch app for a few months now with what seem like good results but I don't have much to benchmark against.

 

[steve knight]

it would be easier then charging the watch so much. my wife is blind so this would be easy for her