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Category: 3rd Party Software
Link: RealPC officially discontinued.
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So what was all that hype about direct hardware access, preview by end of month and what not.
They should either say something and stick to it or not say it at all. This doesn't bring a good name to Mac software. It also means there's (virtualy) one choice now; Microsoft.
AppleMatt
They should either say something and stick to it or not say it at all. This doesn't bring a good name to Mac software. It also means there's (virtualy) one choice now; Microsoft.
AppleMatt
argh. this pisses me off. now i have to pay how much, only to realize it's microsoft! argh. i am almost 100% MS free, and i want VPC.
i'll find a 6.0
i'll find a 6.0
It just goes to show - you want to run PC software, you might as well just go out and buy a PC...
...It's not as if they're THAT expensive, especially with all the deals you can get for one from the High Street stores.
After all - where VPC will get you out of a tight fix for the occasional file, it will NEVER be able to replace a PC if you want to do high-end graphics and number crunching (aka. games), even if you DO get a G5...
I have VPC 6, and am quite happy, thank you very much, with the ability of opening previously inaccessible files.
If I want to play games, I'll crack open one of the (now) plethora of titles available for the Mac. If there's a game out there that isn't available for the platform, I've plenty of options:
a) petition the game creators to release a port to the Mac,
b) bite the bullet, buy a PC and play it on THAT,
c) get the PS2 version,
d) play something else,
e) read a book, get some sun, get a life... (heh, heh! Yeah, right - as if...)
...It's not as if they're THAT expensive, especially with all the deals you can get for one from the High Street stores.
After all - where VPC will get you out of a tight fix for the occasional file, it will NEVER be able to replace a PC if you want to do high-end graphics and number crunching (aka. games), even if you DO get a G5...
I have VPC 6, and am quite happy, thank you very much, with the ability of opening previously inaccessible files.
If I want to play games, I'll crack open one of the (now) plethora of titles available for the Mac. If there's a game out there that isn't available for the platform, I've plenty of options:
a) petition the game creators to release a port to the Mac,
b) bite the bullet, buy a PC and play it on THAT,
c) get the PS2 version,
d) play something else,
e) read a book, get some sun, get a life... (heh, heh! Yeah, right - as if...
)
I agree with kiwi_the_iwik. Esp. if you can connect to the PC via RDC, or even if you have the PC connected to a broadband connection, the speeds via that are very impressive. Plus cheap PCs are easy to find. Keep VPC around for the times when you don't have direct access the PC either it be interent or network.Originally posted by kiwi_the_iwik
It just goes to show - you want to run PC software, you might as well just go out and buy a PC...
...It's not as if they're THAT expensive, especially with all the deals you can get for one from the High Street stores.
VPC is important, there are many PC apps that I use daily that are PC only, or where the PC version is superior to any Mac version. I'm mainly in the scientific field where programs like PSpice and Scientific Workplace are easy and quick to use.
Oh and on topic, I didn't see RealPC becoming a factor at all...
Crooked Company
I remember reading that Real PC was giving free upgrades to OSX version with the purchase of real PC for OS9. Now they come out and they haven't written any code yet. I know there has to be people out there that ordered real PC with the expectation of getting the OSX version. I am sure there had to be some fine print lawyer mumbo jumbo that released real PC from any lawsuits. But I would expect more from any company. At least they could have written ONE line of code.
I remember reading that Real PC was giving free upgrades to OSX version with the purchase of real PC for OS9. Now they come out and they haven't written any code yet. I know there has to be people out there that ordered real PC with the expectation of getting the OSX version. I am sure there had to be some fine print lawyer mumbo jumbo that released real PC from any lawsuits. But I would expect more from any company. At least they could have written ONE line of code.
Hmmmm, somebody didn't read the article. There won't be any direct hardware access because there won't be a preview by end of the month because there hasn't been a single line of code written.
If I may paraphrase from The Rice and the Ridiculous:
FWB: "Dude I almost had you."
Connectix: "Almost had me? You never had me! You never had your RealPC!"
Bwahahaha.
Originally posted by bennetsaysargh
argh. this pisses me off. now i have to pay how much, only to realize it's microsoft! argh. i am almost 100% MS free, and i want VPC.
i'll find a 6.0
I'm not sure I see the point in hunting for an MS-free VPC when you're still running a Microsoft product on it...
Haven't you people learned by now? What do they teach you in school ...
JUST SAY NO!!!
to using Windows.
JUST SAY NO!!!
to using Windows.
Virtual PC has to be re-written for G5s ??
According to this post
http://forums.maccentral.com/wwwthr...macworld.com/news/2003/08/27/realpc/index.php
The PPC970 processor omits a feature that Virtual PC depends upon, and much of it will need to be rewritten to work on a Power Mac G5. The prediction is that it will be "well into 2004" before that's ready...
According to this post
http://forums.maccentral.com/wwwthr...macworld.com/news/2003/08/27/realpc/index.php
The PPC970 processor omits a feature that Virtual PC depends upon, and much of it will need to be rewritten to work on a Power Mac G5. The prediction is that it will be "well into 2004" before that's ready...
Right - Bill Gates went to IBM and made sure that IBM would cripple Virtual PC on the PPC970....
This of course was years before Microsoft bought the Connectix Virtual PC software.
Paranoia will destroy 'ya
Re: Re: Crooked Company
http://macdiscussion.com/article_show.php3?article_id_var=241
Didn't anyone read this article yesterday? Obviously the current management was screwed over by the old management, don't hold it against the new people.
http://macdiscussion.com/article_show.php3?article_id_var=241
Didn't anyone read this article yesterday? Obviously the current management was screwed over by the old management, don't hold it against the new people.
The Old Owners Probably did write code...
It's just my guess from what I've read about the FWB soap opera... but it sounds like the previous owners... pissed about the pending takeover... ransacked the office and took a bunch of stuff. It has been said by these new owners that there was some sort of 'sabatoge' effort by the previous owners.
I would not be surprised at all if they erased or took all the disks that had all the REALPC osX code.
At any rate... my other question is: Why in the hell did it take these new owners 2 MONTHS to figure out there was not code anyway?
I would think there's only a couple places to look... that should have taken maybe a day or two. For all their up-frontedness (is that a word?) I really wonder about the veracity of these new owners too.
It's just my guess from what I've read about the FWB soap opera... but it sounds like the previous owners... pissed about the pending takeover... ransacked the office and took a bunch of stuff. It has been said by these new owners that there was some sort of 'sabatoge' effort by the previous owners.
I would not be surprised at all if they erased or took all the disks that had all the REALPC osX code.
At any rate... my other question is: Why in the hell did it take these new owners 2 MONTHS to figure out there was not code anyway?
I would think there's only a couple places to look... that should have taken maybe a day or two. For all their up-frontedness (is that a word?) I really wonder about the veracity of these new owners too.
RealPC made a comment ( I paraphrase ) that development costs and licensing fees were the main impediment to further development.
MS now says that VirtualPC will not be available until well into 2004.
This looks like a two pronged attack by MS against the G5 and any gains it might make in the Enterprise market. The licensing fees that RealPC mentioned are probably to MS. So MS can block users from running Windows on a G5 and make it so that it is the only option for any other Apple product.
MS marketing department, "Yes, that Apple product is fast, but you can't run any real software on it..." Company purchasing guy makes the safe decision and goes with an Intel based product... Nobody ever got fired for choosing MS!
And our Justice Department says that MS is not anti-competitive!
MS now says that VirtualPC will not be available until well into 2004.
This looks like a two pronged attack by MS against the G5 and any gains it might make in the Enterprise market. The licensing fees that RealPC mentioned are probably to MS. So MS can block users from running Windows on a G5 and make it so that it is the only option for any other Apple product.
MS marketing department, "Yes, that Apple product is fast, but you can't run any real software on it..." Company purchasing guy makes the safe decision and goes with an Intel based product... Nobody ever got fired for choosing MS!
And our Justice Department says that MS is not anti-competitive!
Anti-Microsoft rhetoric needs to end
This anti-Microsoft rhetoric in the Apple community really needs to come to an end.
If Microsoft refused to make Office and/or Explorer people would be saying it's Microsoft's attempt at killing Apple. And when they announce products or buy a product (such as Virtual PC) people say MS is trying to take over the world.
Microsoft primary goal (as is Apple) is to keep their shareholders happy. Buying Virtual PC allows them to sell more product into a different market and also explore the possibility of porting their OS to other platforms. If there's no money to be made then they'll move on. End of story.
Now if there really is a market out there for an Intel emulator on the PowerPC platform (hardware level) then someone will create it and people will buy it.
Apple and/or IBM know the inner workings of the PowerPC better than anyone else, why don't they just create the emulator themselves. The answer is simple, it works against their overall strategy of making PowerPC native apps.
I've used emulators on the Mac since 1992, SoftPC and Virtual PC. I use it primarly for testing purposes.
This anti-Microsoft rhetoric in the Apple community really needs to come to an end.
If Microsoft refused to make Office and/or Explorer people would be saying it's Microsoft's attempt at killing Apple. And when they announce products or buy a product (such as Virtual PC) people say MS is trying to take over the world.
Microsoft primary goal (as is Apple) is to keep their shareholders happy. Buying Virtual PC allows them to sell more product into a different market and also explore the possibility of porting their OS to other platforms. If there's no money to be made then they'll move on. End of story.
Now if there really is a market out there for an Intel emulator on the PowerPC platform (hardware level) then someone will create it and people will buy it.
Apple and/or IBM know the inner workings of the PowerPC better than anyone else, why don't they just create the emulator themselves. The answer is simple, it works against their overall strategy of making PowerPC native apps.
I've used emulators on the Mac since 1992, SoftPC and Virtual PC. I use it primarly for testing purposes.
VitualPC still a good choice
Buying a PC instead of VPC can be a great option--I did it myself--but VPC is a BETTER option in some cases:
* If the cheap PC you bought is cheap for a reason. (My eMachines died 3 times... the 3rd time was out of warranty.)
* If you don't want (or can't fit) another computer (and an ugly one at that) taking up space in your home or your life.
* If you're getting MS Office anyway (VPC with Win XP is just $100 more).
* If you don't use Windows heavily enough/often enough to demand speed.
* If you like the convenience of "waking" VPC instantly for use instead of powering up a PC from scratch; and the convenience of drag-and-drop between platforms with no network needed; and the convenience of having Win and Mac apps side by side on one screen.
* If you are a portable user. Lugging along two laptops is neither economical NOR convenient.
I did get my actual PC working again--I put in a new power supply myself--but the convenience of VPC means I never turn the real thing on. It collects dust. I'm willing to sacrifice speed (VPC IS sluggish!) for the sake of not powering my eTower on. One click on the Dock and I'm in Windows. I find it to be a VERY useful product, and one I hope has a great future even though I wish it was less in MS's hands. (I would have liked an FWB alternative.)
The apps I run in VPC are not lightweight, either: Flash, Director, D3Edit (3D game editor--yes, usable even with textures and no hardware OpenGL), and misc. apps I make and test for Windows clients.
Buying a PC instead of VPC can be a great option--I did it myself--but VPC is a BETTER option in some cases:
* If the cheap PC you bought is cheap for a reason. (My eMachines died 3 times... the 3rd time was out of warranty.)
* If you don't want (or can't fit) another computer (and an ugly one at that) taking up space in your home or your life.
* If you're getting MS Office anyway (VPC with Win XP is just $100 more).
* If you don't use Windows heavily enough/often enough to demand speed.
* If you like the convenience of "waking" VPC instantly for use instead of powering up a PC from scratch; and the convenience of drag-and-drop between platforms with no network needed; and the convenience of having Win and Mac apps side by side on one screen.
* If you are a portable user. Lugging along two laptops is neither economical NOR convenient.
I did get my actual PC working again--I put in a new power supply myself--but the convenience of VPC means I never turn the real thing on. It collects dust. I'm willing to sacrifice speed (VPC IS sluggish!) for the sake of not powering my eTower on. One click on the Dock and I'm in Windows. I find it to be a VERY useful product, and one I hope has a great future even though I wish it was less in MS's hands. (I would have liked an FWB alternative.)
The apps I run in VPC are not lightweight, either: Flash, Director, D3Edit (3D game editor--yes, usable even with textures and no hardware OpenGL), and misc. apps I make and test for Windows clients.
Re: Virtual PC has to be re-written for G5s ??
Yes - thats what I read as well. VPC is not running on the G5..
Yes - thats what I read as well. VPC is not running on the G5..
yep - it's official.
This sucks.
so does this mean Microsoft has a monopoly on windows, even on the mac platform? Another monopoly never hurt anyone
This sucks.
so does this mean Microsoft has a monopoly on windows, even on the mac platform? Another monopoly never hurt anyone
Re: The Old Owners Probably did write code...
I think there was code, but either the old managment stole it, or the new management is pretending it didnt exist (due to pressure under microsoft).
The new management may just be saying there wasnt any code because microsoft wants them to get rid of RealPC w/o making microsoft looking like a monopoly.
I think there was code, but either the old managment stole it, or the new management is pretending it didnt exist (due to pressure under microsoft).
The new management may just be saying there wasnt any code because microsoft wants them to get rid of RealPC w/o making microsoft looking like a monopoly.
