Reasons To Vote Democrat/Republican For The 2018 Midterms

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  1. Huntn, Oct 6, 2018
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    Feel free to argue for either party in this thead. For myself it’s an easy argument, but I’m looking forward to the reasons to vote Republican.

    I’m not a Democrat but I am going to urge any fence sitters, people able to listen to reason, why voting Democrat is a must in November. Why?

    • Reason Number One: Trump. Supreme Leader along with the Invasion of Iraq have been the two worst collective decisions we have made our my lifetimes. IF there was ever a time in US history where a Political Party needed defanging it is now. I’m onboard with this sentiment:
    • Trump Emulators. The GOP did’nt want him, but now that we have him, they want to be him, -Trump- the lieing, cheating, self serving, love me or I’ll hate you, mentally touched Conman at large. The guy who has alienated all of our allies and admires, embraces, wants to be a tough dictator. Not helping, his Trumpets have some issues: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...-trump-supporters-has-identified-5-key-traits
    • Health care-NOT. The GOP have ZERO interest in fixing the health care system. They spent 8 years knashing their teeth over Obamacare, but when they had their chance, the main trust if their actions were to undermine and ACA and had nothing to replace it with. WHY? They don’t want to spend the money. The US spends more than any other country on health care, yet we are not number one. It would cost too much and too much profit would be impacted. Better if average citizens are one illness away from bankruptcy. Why Mitch McConnell and the Republicans Can’t Fix Health Care: https://www.newyorker.com/news/john...nell-and-the-republicans-cant-fix-health-care
    • The War Machine. The GOP fully support the Military Industrial Complex, love foreign adventures, constantly talk about beefing up and rebuilding the all ready hugely bloated War Machine. And now... Trump has now transformed himself into a hawk. Trump’s Bloated Military Budget: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/trumps-bloated-military-budget/
    • Hypocrites and one way rules. The GOP are one way, hypocrites. They change rules to benefit themselves while denying the opposition a level playing field. They will hold up the SCOTUS nomination of a Democrat President for 9 months because the voice of the people must be heard, yet jam through their own, with 2 months before a major election, withholding pertinent documents, rushing the process, pretending to listen to allegations, but they really don’t care, and gotta get their way before the voice of the people are heard (midterm elections).
    • Sending the Court Right for decades The GOP allowed Trump to pick a fundamentally unsuitable partisan Judge for SCOTUS and blindly supported him. How unsuitable? ‘Unfathomable’: More than 2,400 law professors sign letter opposing Kavanaugh’s confirmation These are the guys that think corporations have citizen rights (allowing corporations to financially support candidates) and that corporate masters has the right to shove the owners religious views down their employee’s throats.
    • Anti-women and reproductive freedom The GOP are fundamentally anti-women, at least any woman who wants out of the kitchen and a place at the man’s table, plus they don’t like it when women have control over their own body. A significant contingent are against contraceptives. http://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2018/02/06/misogyny-republican-party-steve-almond
    • Nuts for Guns The GOP is in the NRA’s pocket. Streets can run red, but regarding your dead child or loved one, you’ll get lots of thoughts, prayers, and sympathy from the GOP. They are REALLY SAD for your lose, see that tear (?), just don’t expect us to do anything about it. <shoulder shrug>, our base is gaga over guns! https://qz.com/1214787/how-the-nras-money-forces-republicans-to-fight-gun-control/
    • Starve the Beast. The GzoP is fundamentally against social programs. And the way things are going, you (I’m looking at you, the majority) are going to need the help. Don’t overlook Social Security and Medicare, those are on the chopping block too. Oh sure, welfare for corporations and farmers, no problem. What is Starve the Beast? https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ng-up-the-deficit-is-part-of-the-plan/548720/
    How many more reasons do you need?
     
  2. GermanSuplex macrumors 6502a

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    I'm going the democrat route because their leader isn't a mentally-deficient, criminal tax-cheat, self-admitted sexual assaulter... with a bad tan and combover.
     
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    Self admitted sexual assaulter and obstructionist of investigations looking at him, willing to take the Dept of Justice apart to protect his interests.
     
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    Well, both sides are utterly useless but I’d avoid democrats because:

    1) They thrive on misery and love it when things are going bad for America
    2) They can’t wait to tax us back to the Stone Age
    3) They can’t wait to regulate the crap out of every industry which will cause job losses and economic downturns....but that plays right into making everyone miserable(item #1)
    4) Borders? Nah. Everyone can come in unfettered and bring your problems with you. The taxpayers will pick up the tab. Free college too. No worries.
    5) They'll throw us back into horrible things like the Paris accord or whatever other obnoxious "climate change" BS propaganda machine they can find. Of course, the US taxpayer will fund most of it. As always.
    6) They’ll give away lots of free stuff and the productive members of society will of course have their earnings STOLEN from them to pay for it.

    Yep, sounds like a great future for America.
     
  5. Huntn thread starter macrumors P6

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    Thanks for your perspective, very helpful. :)
    You'd rather be conned by the GOP?
    My counters:
    1) Yes the Democrats love misery, that's why I'm drawn to them. :rolleyes:
    2) Profits can't all be pocketed. A cohesive, prosperous society requires that the majority actually be prosperous, and are not scraping just to survival. Btw, our infrastructure is falling down around us.
    3) Who needs clean air, water, etc, etc, when there is $$ to be made? Who cares if thousands are sickened if the company pays out bonuses to it's team?
    4) It's not a black and white issue, depending on your news source. Besides, who needs the people to pick our crops. Let them rot in the fields, that will show them. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/29/...s/what-does-immigration-actually-cost-us.html
    5) See No. 3.
    6) Enough free stuff so the majority can actually live and not just survive. Better than having the mob show up on your doorstep with pitchforks.
     
  6. RootBeerMan macrumors 65816

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    Feh. A pox on both their houses. Neither of them will get a vote from me, as always. None of them are good for the country or its people and both have an ingrained hatred of freedom and the Constitution. In all my decades on this planet I have yet to see more than a few of either party who are not repugnant Gollum's of the worst sort.
     
  7. RichardMZhlubb, Oct 6, 2018
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    The comments about Democrats loving misery and when things are bad are, of course, proven to be complete BS when you look at the improvements in the economy under Obama.

    And, I have a serious question. If you are genuinely upset about people getting “free stuff” and taxpayers having to pay for it, you must be apoplectic at the news that Trump swindled hundreds of millions of dollars from taxpayers through criminal fraud, right?
     
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    The thing is if you don’t vote, someone is going to win, someone bad if Trump is any kind of a trend setter. :(
     
  9. RootBeerMan macrumors 65816

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    I vote in every election. I just don't vote for candidates that do not represent my principles, like Democrats and Republicans. Sometimes I write in "None Of The Above" if there is no-one worth voting for from any party. My vote belongs to me and it is valuable. I refuse to waste it on any candidate who is not representative of political goals and principles that I hold dear. And, before you inevitably pipe up with it. There's no such thing as a wasted vote. That is a partisan lie and a fallacy, promulgated by people who think my vote, and the votes of others, do not belong to us, but do belong to the candidate of their choosing.
    https://nondoc.com/2016/10/06/theres-no-such-thing-wasted-vote/

    https://www.lp.org/blogs-mary-ruwart-the-wasted-vote-lie/

    “Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.”


    – John Quincy Adams
     
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    We need more people in this country who think like this. Bravo to you, sir.
     
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    History proves economy and businesses do better under Democratic ruling. Bill Clinton left country in great shape for Bush Jr to mess it up and Obama to elevate it again. While there may have been some good days in stock market under Trumpty, economic progress/decline take time to show and for everyone to feel the pinch. So let's just wait and see.

    Sadism is a republican thing, democrats want to provide social benefit and healthcare for Americans. how is that bad?
    Amusing to see republicans talking like scientists and experts but only when it comes to global warming. they will happily accept other "scientific" findings except global warming because they know better!

    Some Scandinavian countries have fairly high tax rates but their population seem to be OK with it. They are very happy with their quality of life because it benefits EVERYONE from all political spectrum.

    The problem in America isn't wealth, it is greed and selfishness.

     
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    That is not 100% accurate. Early in 2000, it was pretty obvious that there was an enormous tech-sector bubble in the market that was on the verge of popping badly. To say that the Clinton economy was in great shape is a tad specious, which is why W stood a ghost of a chance of getting in.

    It is true that W's administration ruined the economic stability of the country with his ridiculous tax deform, though. And that insane war, that did not add to the deficit during his term because of accounting chicanery that put its expense “off the books” until the next administration had to come in and clean up.

    I cannot begin to imagine voting for any Republiopath. My R congressman was actually not batguano-insane, but he was a R, meaning having him in there lent support for the batguano wing of the party, so I never voted for him.

    There were some decent Rs 30 years ago, but they got pushed out, and there is not a sane person left in the party. The Ds often aggravate me, but they are the only voice of reason left in the country right now.
     
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    Reasons to vote Democrat.

    1. You don't understand money creation and simple economics, you think taking money from some people, and giving it to others makes there be more money.

    2. You like dead babies, as a matter of fact, you love them. You think killing black and brown babies will help with population control. Even tho the world is a far better place than it was when there was only a few 100 million people in it, you think less is more, more for you, less for the unborn.

    3. You hate the middle class, you think our uneven trade deals are great, you can't understand how sending our manufacturing to other nations has systematically destroyed the middle class and upward mobility.

    4. You hate God, you hate anything to do with any power higher than government, you think people don't have rights endowed by our creator, you think rights come from Government, and the Government can take them away.

    5. You hate America, you hate everything America stands for, you want to fundamentally transform America into a pipe dream Socialist State where everyone else's children only exists to serve that State, a State you want to control. You think America is evil, you think it was built on the back of evil. You hate General Washington, Thomas Jefferson, General Jackson, and any founder or past and present leader that doesn't fit into your liberal SJW idea of what a perfect man should be.

    6. You are a gender neutral ubernite hipster.

    &. Do I really need to go on, because I can do thins all day.

    Reasons to Vote Republican:

    1. The evil you know.
     
  15. s2mikey macrumors 68020

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    Hey, I did say the the GOP isn’t exactly the best thing to happen to the world.

    The economy is actually doing pretty well right now for most people. Unemployment is low, businesses are hiring and the general economic attitude appears to be positive. There will always be some that scrape by but I don’t think it matters what party is ruling the country. That’s mostly a culture and effort thing. It’s not that hard to live reasonably decent in this country if you just follow some ideals and are willing to work.

    Wait a second, dirty air and water is not what this climate change thing is about. No one wants that. What we do want are efficient, reasonable, sustainable and affordable alternative energy plans that can work for everyone. Not some draconian "solution" that always ends up costing the USA a ton of money and saddles the working class with atrociously high energy bills. Those folks that scrape by.... they can’t absorb high energy costs based on dodgy science with a political agenda behind it. All while the elites fly their jets and drive their Lamborghini collection around all day. Sorry, no go deal.

    The immigration issue is a sticky one and I realize there are plenty of good people that want to come here and play by the rules. Great, let them in. Enjoy. But keep OUT the nerdowells, gangs and other problem people and that’s where the Dems don’t seem willing to budge. Just let them all in or whatever. There is a happy medium here.

    Profit and the drive to achieve it is what makes the economy run. I get that some people HATE businesses and the idea that someone gets rich but that’s why many of us have jobs. The idea that you can tax and redistribute your way to prosperity for all is just crazy. Doesn’t work like that. Every attempt at trying that over the course of history has resulted in pure misery for most citizens with a few shiesters living like kings. The idea should be to help those on the bottom get "up", not punish those that are doing well. Besides, for many democrats, anyone that’s employed is "rich" and a target for income confiscation.

    Free stuff isn’t free. Someone is paying. But sure, there does have to be some community things that get paid for by all. Fine. But we are way past that right now.
     
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    Sure cos you are at the top of an economic cycle that has started years ago.

    Inserting more money (debt) at that point of time can lead to overheating and it will for sure make it harder to fight the next recession (which will come no matter what).
     
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    One reason to vote for Democrats is to prevent people who believe this sort of unadulterated garbage from having any power.
     
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    I’ll ask you again. Where’s the outrage about Trump stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from taxpayers through criminal tax fraud? Or do you only object when poor people take things from the government?
     
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    I’m at the point now where I’m almost exclusively voting against the incumbent. We need to boot these corrupt career politicians once and for all. I want term limits for Congress. These people are more likely to make good decisions if they know re-election is not an option.
     
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    This makes no sense if you support Trump. At all.
     
  22. Huntn, Oct 7, 2018
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    I disagree, some candidates and parties are better than others. The glass is better half full, then empty.
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    Please explain your message.
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    Dirty air and water is part of the Republican cornerstone deregulation plan in response to your #3 regulation comment.
     
  23. RootBeerMan macrumors 65816

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    And that is why the country is currently in the dilemma it is in. Voting for the lesser of evils has ended up corrupting the entire government and lead the country to the brink as the people are fracturing. When you vote for a lesser evil, you are still voting for evil. If you aren't voting for the full glass, then you truly are wasting your vote. Look at the last election. Two presidential candidates who were absolutely horrible. I would wager that most Hillary voters cast their vote solely to oppose Trump, not because she was a good candidate. And I cannot even begin to fathom what would possess anyone to cast a vote for Trump, other than that he had an R behind his name. The candidate I, and many others, voted for was actually a good one and, despite a 5Am bumble on Aleppo was head and shoulders above the other two in everything that mattered. Despite not winning, I have slept well, knowing that I voted principles over evil.

    https://reason.com/archives/2016/05/18/why-voting-for-the-lesser-of-two-evils-i
     
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    Just one comment on your otherwise excellent post - it's more than not being number one. When ranked by outcome we are near the bottom.
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    Why would someone not in the top ~10% income/wealth level vote Republican? And why would someone in that bracket who cares about society and is not just motivated by greed vote Republican? The GOP is only interested in preserving and expanding the wealth of those people while our bridges and roads are crumbling, millions of Americans are without health insurance and those lucky enough to have it face ever-mounting costs, polluters are given a green light as are financial industry sharks and no sooner have they increased the national debt by $1.5 trillion over the next ten years with their "tax reform" do they come back and say entitlements need to be reduced in order to rein in that very debt.
     
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    When you vote for someone who has no chance then you are leaving the decisions, in some cases bad decisions in the hands of others, where if you had participated (as an example) say voting for Hillary, we would not be stuck with Bozo today. Those decisions happen whether you pick a possible winner or not.
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    Starve the Beast, everyone, especially the majority, people who need the help, should be or get familiar with this term.
     

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