... While we're talking about privileges and rights. You should feel privileged that anyone buys music anymore, and if anyone will in the future. I am hereby revoking your supposed right to get fat off of my wallet.
1) it's a privilege not a right, for you to have my money for services rendered. In other words you are privileged enough to work for us the consumers we pay for your services (content, music etc..) you give the content to us.
2) It's our right to see that you go broke by not paying for your useless "services" that you have been privileged to serve us with in the past. I'm not suggesting stealing your services, but rather lets face the facts:
I) I already got loads of music that's not DRM'd and purchased legally. and what I don't have, our local public library will let me check out for free.
II) Music is not a necessity, so I don't NEED to buy your music. (I'll keep paying my water bill)
III) Even if I do buy the music, someone will always find a way to copy the music whether through breaking the DRM, or just running an audio cable to a line in port and recording it. so give it up.
3) Has anyone even produced a full CD worth buying in the last few years... Lets look at other options, aside from that of buying your DRM'd music: I call them the ABC's of legal free/near free music (all of which are my privilege AND right to do)
A) Listen to the radio, we have enough stations to find decent music here and there
B) Check music out from the local library
C) Listen to the music I already own
D) borrow friends/family member's CD (music) collection
E) listen to my works "hold music"
F) listen to the music in the elevator
G) streamed music (internet)
H) My imagination
I) Garageband (make our own darn music)
J) legal downloaded music (independent artists etc...)
K) Listening booths
L) Radio Shark (recording public broadcast for personal use)
M) 1 free song a week on iTunes
N) iPod swap, trade a friend/Family member iPods for a week. and listen to each others legally purchased music
O) Pod casts
P) Just live without additional music
Q) Listen to other peoples music (friends etc.) created in programs like Garageband
R) Free Local Concerts (Utah has lots of great ones for free, I assume other places do to)
S) A lot of Classical music can be purchased for near free (like a couple dollars) to hear the creations of real masters and geniuses, compared to today's random sampling of rubbish. makes these seem free,
T) The last chapter of most DVD's I buy has OK music during the credits
U) The pan handlers on the street, some play better than the "pop stars" of today. and need the money a lot more, should you choose to donate to the shelter.
V) PBS broadcasts. on TV
W) Social events, Dances, clubs, church activities, free amphitheater civic activities, etc...
X) open my apartment window it's guaranteed someone is blaring there music loud enough for everyone to hear
Y) Disney channel, you can't go 10 minutes without a music video being played. and the kids like it.
Z) Grandma's Vinyls are oooh so good.
Many countries have royalties attached to blank media, digital recorders, or both. In some locales analog equipment is also covered.Stella said:Do record companies demand a slice of revenue from other Audio companies, Digital music manufacturers?
iMeowbot said:Many countries have royalties attached to blank media, digital recorders, or both. In some locales analog equipment is also covered.
iPod gets off the hook because it has its music-quality recording ability disabled, and it doesn't have removable media. The royalties are exactly why most MP3 players have crippled recording capability, it allows them to exploit loopholes that get them classified as computer peripherals.
YEs, those do have fees attached, though they are not as visible. For play-only devices the revenue comes directly from the prerecorded music. For radio and TV receivers, the fees are collected from the broadcasters. It's end-user recording where the hardware and media have historically been encumbered.Stella said:My point was more towards HiFi units and in-car music players etc.
When Jobs says "There are no marketing costs for them" he simply isn't telling the truth. The best selling CDs are rarely the best or most interesting, they're the ones that receive the best label marketing. See that Ashlee Simpson track at #9 on the US store and #1 in the pop section? How did that get there when it's not even advertised on the iTMS front page, or the pop front page? It's because the giant "Download Now!" link Universal put in the center of the front page of ashleesimpsonmusic.com points straight at that track on iTMS. And people were visiting that Web site because Apple pointed them there? No way.freiheit said:As others have pointed out, there's zero cost involved for the record labels for tracks sold on iTunes. Apple does all the marketing for iTunes.
Good luck on that, the precedent has been set since the Victrola that the media companies do not get to profit from hardware manufacturers. Frankly, the creation of such a system would be so detrimental to the economy that I can't imagine how it could be put in place.Stella said:Do record companies demand a slice of revenue from other Audio companies, Digital music manufacturers? Nope. I wouldn't be surprised to see them take Apple to court to argue for a slice of iPod revenue.
That would be collusion which is illegal and morally corrupt to boot. This issue is entirely different from Apple's adherence to a well-defined standard (with their own DRM attached) and the rest of the industry's adherence to Mr. Softy. This issue centers on how far a single business model should extend, to the ability of new industries to grow around old ones and allow our economy to create and innovate. The music studios own greed and their sudden and irrational fear of Apple's success with iTMS could create a legal situation that would be devastating to new media.nbaker756 said:what if the record companies want to have Steve Jobs raise prices for songs. then they tell napster and all the others to keep prices the same, effectly giving the others an upper hand. this could detract from ipod sales and cause apple to maybe open up their tech to others. just a theory, thats all.
Back then, the big labels were the hardware companies! Victrola were the forerunners of RCA, their label is now part of Sony/BMG (Sony of course today do hardware). The Victor licensee in the UK was Gramophone, which became EMI.hulugu said:Good luck on that, the precedent has been set since the Victrola that the media companies do not get to profit from hardware manufacturers.