Religious children found to be less generous

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    Point 1 - who or what would endeavor to make such a study and why?

    Point 2 - who or what would fund it?

    Point 3 - will they extend their study to determine same among sexes, gays versus straights, races?
     
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    Why not?
     
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    Sex and race isn't a choice, religion is.
     
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    Is it? Pretty sure the children in the study didn't choose to be raised by religious parents.
     
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    I prefer the alternative headlines.

    - Richer people more generous than poor people
    - Older children more generous that younger children
     
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    1. The who "Jean Decety,Jason M. Cowell, Kang Lee, Randa Mahasneh, Susan Malcolm-Smith, Bilge Selcuk, Xinyue Zhou. As for the why, studies are done on just about any and everything. There is no reason a study like this would be off limits.

    2. The sponser "This research was supported by a grant from the John Templeton Foundation"

    3. "To examine the influence of religion on the expression of altruism", so no they don't really have a need to given that the study and what you ask are two very distinct points. This wasn't a study about kids from hetero families vs same sex couples or of different races but completely religion/non-religion based.


    Link to study that answers all those questions for you
    http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(15)01167-7
     
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    Maybe my post didn't go through here, previously but this study's "results" are not results mentioned in the data. The conclusions drawn I believe are not in line with the data's suggestions.

    First off, only Christians and Muslims are correlated, not all **religions. The study's samples of other religions were too small.

    The statistically significant differences are necessarily practically significant. If I remember correctly, out of 30 stickers, the non religious gave away 4 stickers, the Christians gave away 3.5. The Muslims gave away 3. Big deal? That's for you to decide.

    The most accurate predicting factor alone was socioeconomic status, religiousness, and age. The graphic they use however only religiousness and age vs. generosity.

    Muslims were more punitive than Christians and non-Reigious (who had no difference). This translates into religious people are more punitive how?

    The methods of this study and actual data are not well described. Quite frankly, I have little way of knowing what went on here. The conclusions drawn are not accurate in the article.
     
  9. sim667, Nov 10, 2015
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    No. Obviously not.

    But religion is incomparable to orientation, gender or race, as @FieldingMellish suggests in post 2. Which was more my point ;)

    Interestingly muslims pay a islamic tax (i forget what its called), which is then used for charitable purposes.

    I know christians make donations in church, but that all goes straight in the church funds (well it does in CofE uk churches anyway)
     
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    But of course! Atheism and one of the many heads of the persistently animated hydra that is George Soros.
     
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    You got that from my how?
     
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    I don't know how many people on here have actually worked on a study.
    I have. Many times.

    When it comes to studies about peoples opinions the accuracy of the results is in most cases terrible. And that's an understatement.

    I just hope they didn't waste tax money on this nonsense.
     
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    I believe it's called zakat. Jews have tzedekah, typically suggested at 10% - though this is by no means manditory. I'm not sure what the Christian expectation is, if anything specific.

    I've read things in the past (granted without reading the actual studies) that say statistically Jews donate make more donations and of higher amounts than non-Jews (probably makes sense considering higher average economic status) and religious people donate more than non-religious.

    Again, if someone gives 4 stickers versus 3.5 versus 3... Out of 30, I'm not sure that's practically significant. That's roughly 13%, 11.5%, and 10% of their sticker "incomes".
     
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    "This research was supported by a grant from the John Templeton Foundation"
     
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    It's still pseudoscience.
    They might as well throw chickenbones.
     
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    I'm curious why they would dare to push to publish such blasphemy.

    But really shame on Cellular Biology (a journal I can't recall ever reading) for publishing this stuff. They must be looking to boost their impact rating (currently somewhere around 4 or 5).
     
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    I wonder if it depends on the type of charity too?

    It would be interesting to see how many Catholics donate to HIV research or Shelter for example lol. I know certain members of my family wouldn't especially the more devout Roman Catholics.
     
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    What is the best way to live? How large is God? How are finite beings related to the infinite? What was God's purpose in creating the universe? How can we be helpful? These ageless questions can inspire people today just as they have inspired people throughout the ages, linking the human soul to philosophy and to the love of wisdom.

    —Sir John Templeton

    He sounds like a nut job
     
  19. 63dot, Nov 10, 2015
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    I usually don't agree with you but stats are part of what I did in grad school and what you are saying is right on.

    Studies are politically motivated and they are hooey, although some are fancy hooey and harder to spot the bad math.

    The authors of any study can skew it either way, even from the same data. It's been pointed out how, but it's subtle.

    But in essence the faulty study, like most are, is not unlike our election season. When I turn on Fox, it's obvious they hate Trump (although for different reasons than I hate him), but it's totally obvious he is in first or second place. But they always bring up that while he has 25% percent, then that means 75% percent "hate" him. While possible, it's not very probable.

    This study does not really show Christians as that much different but emphasize the non-religious as more generous. This study is in a climate where Christians are being vilified and lumped into the worst elements of the GOP, as if Christians are all fascists:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/06/06/736685/-What-is-Christofascism

    It's not stated, but implied, and the study or article wants to promote the idea that Christianity makes a greedier person and that's a very simplistic conclusion and targeted against maybe not Christians, but conservatives.
     
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    This is true for all studies.

    However with studies about peoples opinions it is even worse, because of the way the data is obtained.
     
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    Yes, aside from the number of stickers given away, it's all based on survey scales of feelings. I feel these are especially inaccurate for children. I'm not familiar with the research methods they used and their reliability/validity.
     
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    IMO society in general has become more selfish in the last few decades. Even though most people in the western world are better off than before, people in general are far less generous, and caring for one another. Today we don't see mankind as a whole, we only see our own group/family/religion as important. Therefore the children are just the end product of that type of thinking.

    I believe this started in the 1980’s with the idea that only the individual mattered.
     
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    Next up: Religious kids have more B.O. and they don't wipe as well after potty than their non-religious counterparts.
     
  24. Meister, Nov 10, 2015
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    You are of course right.

    But that's just the tip of the iceberg.

    With many surveys you don't know if the people conducting them even asked anyone ... or if the subjects they asked fullfiled the criteria ... or understood the question ...
     
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    There goes my appetite.
     

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