Remember what happened to Gaddafi and Saddam over oil/USD.?

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  1. stylinexpat macrumors 65816

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    To be fair. We should have invaded/nuked S/A after 9/11.
     
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    If you nuked Saudi that would cause the end of civilisation. A successful invasion of Saudi would be very very hard.

    The reason. The hajj has to run.
     
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    Good news: Saudi just ****ed up by threatening the dollar. US doesn’t like when that happens, so maybe ... just maybe ... US will stop ignoring the terrorist breeding Saudis and return payment for what they did to us during 9/11.

    Bad news: another war. Sigh ...
     
  6. stylinexpat thread starter macrumors 65816

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    To be fair, before I could agree with you I would have to have zero reasonable doubt and the way the investigation was done leaves one with beliefs beyond reasonable doubt of the full possibilities of who was actually behind 9/11 ;).
    I don't trust any administration that threatens to go after judges and ban judges from international courts for looking into war crimes.
     
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    You know, there doesn't have to be a war with SA. We could just stop selling them stuff and treating them with kids gloves. If we were feeling adventurous, we could try and be friends with Iran to boot...
     
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    No war is necessary and definitely no nukes(from the US perspective). All the US needs to do is pull out from that area/region. They can duke it out with Iran by themselves.
     
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    That's not the American way ;)
     
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    It's not the US that wears the pants, it's the Saudi's.

    They make sure oil is only priced in $USD$, if we don't do what they want, they will pull out of the petrodollar, ad leave us to deal with the fact that our bond issues will lose half their buyers.
     
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    point well taken. Yet, Venezuela has a bunch of oil too. Iran also. Canada also. Iraq also. We do have some options here.
     
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    Keep in mind that the US government doesn’t sell treasuries to only Americans. China, the UK, Brazil, Japan and the Saudis themselves are all major holders of dollar-denominated debt.

    If they pull the plug on the petrodollar they could literally throw the entire world into a depression. The Saudis know this. This is the main reason nobody seriously advocates for oil to be denominated in a different currency. If the “game” ends, literally everyone loses.
     
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    This will be interesting because now China's local consumption exceeds that of the US and now China plans sousing its own currency for oil. You don't think this trade war thing popped up out of the middle of no where do you...? It is mainly over two things. Oil and currency of trading oil with their own currency and then the banking thing where they would no longer need to wire banks via New York in the US. Someone is not happy about this ;)

    https://seekingalpha.com/article/4232452-billion-yuan-question-facing-chinas-crude-futures-exchange
     
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    Honestly, I’m not too concerned about this. Even the article says that this won’t have an impact on the relative strength or weakness of the dollar. The main impact will be to allow rouge countries like Iran and North Korea to circumvent US sanctions by using the yuan as their reserve currency.

    Most oil producing countries will still favor the dollar over the yuan. At the end of the day, the US is still the US and China is still authoritarian China. There is less exchange risk when dealing in dollars. The Chinese government has a ways to go before the yuan has the same type of confidence behind it.
     
  15. stylinexpat thread starter macrumors 65816

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    This is good and bad but I think it is good for other countries like Iran and even North Korea. Not that I support all their policies but in general if China wants to buy oil from Iran it should not have to worry about using the USD and transferring money via US banks where money can be seized especially when someone like Trump is in power who does what ever Israel asks him to do ignoring the rest of the world at the UN when the majority opposed putting sanctions back on Iran and all had willing come to an agreement to remove sanctions. Punishing all of the Iranian people with sanctions and punishing China for trading with them is a bit unfair to those two parties along with other parties.
     
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    Unbelievably irresponsible comment. We should not have invaded anyone, much less NUKE THEM! :oops::mad:
     
  17. stylinexpat thread starter macrumors 65816

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    All about controlling banking, tradeand oil prices
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-iran-sanctions-idUSKCN1S2238
     
  18. stylinexpat thread starter macrumors 65816

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    More on the USD from Putin. What he said about the US using USD to pressure and push certain countries is quite true. Look at what happened to the currency of countries that the US and Israel did not like. The list is quite long but some of the more obvious ones are Libya,Iran,Syria,Russia,Lebanon,Venezuela,Iraq, etc..


    https://www.rt.com/news/461346-putin-us-dollar-spief/
     
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    Jesus wept. Why do Americans want to kill and destroy everything?
    Am wondering what the state of Saudi Arabia would be like if the West had never been there.
     
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    What would be fair about that?
     
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    17 out of 19 Hijackers were from SA
     
  22. stylinexpat thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Do you know them personally..? As long as reasonable doubt exists there is no known 100% fact. We have already seen and learned by this current administration that you don’t believe everything you hear and are told ;)
     
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    Equitable commerce has always been a panacea to conflict. Unfortunately, modern Capitalism is not usually equitable. Yet it's a direction to aim towards...
     
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    If we use that metric and apply it to every act of terror/war crimes committed by US citizens and/or set in motion by the US government you'd have a hard time finding a country that wouldn't have a "fair" reason to nuke the US.
     

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