Report: Trump is undermining his new Secretary of State

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  1. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    Wow.

    Think we can count on Tillerson's support when it comes time for Pence to invoke the 25th Amendment? :D
     
  2. pdqgp macrumors 68020

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    I support his move. One of Trumps key hot buttons is loyalty. What Abrams said during the campaign ruled out any seat for him at the table.
     
  3. blackfox macrumors 65816

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    I'm not sure loyalty trumps (haha) competence or suitability for the job at hand. The US Government is designed to be adversarial - and we can see why...
     
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    So, do you think Trump should therefore get rid of Tillerson for choosing Abrams? I mean, how loyal can Tillerson be, if his favorite pick is this "traitor" to Trump?
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    Um, I think that perhaps trials in the court system are set up to be adversarial; but the federal government is designed to have "checks and balances", not a purely adversarial system. The branches of government may have powers split between them, but I do think they were designed to work together with one another...
     
  5. blackfox macrumors 65816

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    We actually agree...I just use the term adversarial as a means to effecting that ends.
     
  6. pdqgp macrumors 68020

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    Nope.
     
  7. samcraig macrumors P6

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    Perceived loyalty. Trump, like a toddler though, is very black and white and have a long standing vindictive streak.

    Even in jest, he keeps making threats. Most recently I heard him talk/laugh about about ruining some senator's career because he disagreed with him.
     
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    Surprisingly, I support this move if confirmed. At the DoS you need people that appear as loyal as possible to the POTUS, otherwise all the negotiations risk to lose presidential authority. Without presidential authority you don't get far in dealing with foreign powers.
    At any other department I would consider it a wrong move.
     
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    The thing about loyalty is that it cuts both ways.

    Mr Trump seems to be labouring under the delusion that the only possible definition of loyalty is blind loyalty to him.
     
  10. samcraig macrumors P6

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    Not much has changed though. Trump is divisive.
     
  11. yaxomoxay macrumors 68020

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    I certainly agree with that.
     
  12. pdqgp macrumors 68020

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    is anyone really surprised about the outcome? his reaction to toss the guy out of the line up is not something shocking or out of the ordinary. if someone speaks ill of our company or me, then had the gall to think they were going to be a part of our team, that would be a LOL moment. No different than just about anywhere.
     
  13. shinji macrumors 65816

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    He should pick the nominee who will best serve the American people...not the nominee who will best serve Donald Trump's ego.
     

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