Republican-led Congress hands Obama major win on trade

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    While we're distracted with Confederate flags and transracial weirdoes, the Power Elite makes their move.
     
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    So Republicans who worry the White House will sell the farm to Iran are sure the White House will negotiate a great deal on Pacific trade. Gotta love Washington.
     
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    Can't wait for the conspiracy theorists to get on this.
     
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    Probably won't make it any worse than voting in a Republican on this issue, but on a lot of other ones Clinton would still be better.
     
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    Depends on The republican . This is the future of our kids. Hard to get a decent job where actual skills are required when all the companies that hire skilled workers are gone
     
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    Is it better to be burned with steam or fire?
     
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    And what Republican candidate is against free trade deals like this? Maybe Rand Paul, but he'll cause a lot of other problems of he were to get in
     
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    No what will stop this, is if American's in general are prepared to pay a fair price for manufactured/services, instead of always going for the cheapest.

    This of course applies just as much to any western country.
     
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    Most of the problems in the west could be solved by a good long look in the mirror, but the problem in America is Americans can't pay more because all the jobs that let us thrive are now in every place but America. It's a big self licking ice cream cone.
     
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    The US either invests in people and infrastructure, or our children will live in a world that would shock Dickens. The same applies for other countries in the West. Meanwhile, here in the UK the right-wing government is scheming to reduce taxes for the rich while taking away benefits from the plebs.
     
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    Shock Dickens? Are you sure thats not just a tad overdramatic?

    There may certainly be some employment dislocations, but I think the last hundred and fifty years have given us developments in everything from agriculture and plumbing; to public health and social services, to be reasonably confident to say we won't sending 10 year olds to work in West Virginia coal mines any time soon.

    If successfully negotiated, the Trans Pacific Partnership will probably - in retrospect - be viewed as one of the great achievements of Obama's Presidency. I know that might shock some of my liberal friends, but it is trade - and trade with the most dynamic, fasting growing markets in the world - that will ensure America'- and Americans - prosperity in the coming thirty years.
     
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    These new trade deals do include some pretty dodgy terms and are being conducted almost entirely in secret. I'm not convinced at all.
     
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    such as?
     
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    HOW are they supposed to pay for it with pay from low end jobs?
     
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    Such as?
     
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    Healthcare for one as she wouldn't be trying to get rid of insurance coverage for people like most if not all of the Republican candidates are wanting to do.
     
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    SCOTUS settled that, NEXT
     
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    Just because the Supreme Court upheld it doesn't mean that a Republican Congress plus president won't follow through with their threats to remove the ACA.
     
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    like every republican who has over turned abortion? please.
     
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    Would you prefer I cite Marx?
     
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    You're grasping.
     
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    That is a tall hill to get over, you would need at least 12 Democrats in the Senate and around 80 in the House.
     
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    Sure, it was hyperbole. The fact is, of course, that Dickens would feel very much at home with our world. No, Dickens would have been shocked to see corporate restraint and charity in the 1950's and 1960's, before Milton Friedman convinced the rich that true virtue lay in maximizing shareholder value (and becoming super-rich).

    Perhaps you recall a few years back in late 2008/early 2009 when the WGBH/BBC adaptation of Little Dorrit came out. What once had seemed so far-off was suddenly current again.
     

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