Republican special snowflakes and default exceptionalism

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  1. Chew Toy McCoy macrumors regular

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    A lot of patriots running around acting like we just crushed it in WWII yesterday. What’s our current exceptionalism?

    Exceptionalism also requires a high bar. Bad examples: We’re not mutilating women’s genitalia or lopping off heads publicly. Not only are those bars extremely low but the vast majority of other countries aren’t doing that either.
     
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    Diaper pin is more fitting.
     
  4. Chew Toy McCoy thread starter macrumors regular

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    So we're exceptional at trolling and being babies. Anything more positive?
     
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    The GOP wants to gut the EPA and bail on climate agreements. That's exceptional in a negative way and will not make America great again.
     
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    Oh were you serious about the question? Okay here's one. We ranked #2 as a Country in generosity. Now your turn give us an example of American exceptionalism. Or are you just going to be a negative Nancy?
     
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    Maybe Trump wants more waterfront property?
     
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    Why the past tense?? If Trump drops taxes yet again, we might lose that slot? No need for the tax deduction?
     
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    Or he wants to drown Atlantic City once and for all.
     
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    Well we could take my sentence at face value and think about what it means. That the ranking have already concluded this year or we could interject our own hyperbole.
     
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    I don't think you understand what hyperbole means based on your use.
     
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    Only 20 to 40% of our children live in poverty...

    Democrats and Republicans created this situation together so it represents a bipartisan opportunity to make change.
     
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    The results from Tuesday's election shows that American Exceptionalism is alive and well. Clearly you don't understand what Exceptionalism is or, as a Democrat, you just disagree with the entire concept:

    American exceptionalism is one of three related ideas. The first is that the history of the United States is inherently different from other nations. In this view, American exceptionalism stems from its emergence from the American Revolution, thereby becoming what political scientist Seymour Martin Lipset called "the first new nation" and developing a uniquely American ideology, "Americanism", based on liberty, egalitarianism, individualism, republicanism, democracy and laissez-faire for business. This ideology itself is often referred to as "American exceptionalism." Second is the idea that the US has a unique mission to transform the world. As Abraham Lincoln put it in the Gettysburg address (1863), Americans have a duty to see that "government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth." Third is the sense that its history and its mission give the United States a superiority over other nations.

    Although the term does not necessarily imply superiority, many neoconservative and other American conservative writers have promoted its use in that sense. To them, the U.S. is like the biblical "City upon a Hill"—a phrase evoked by British colonists to North America as early as 1630—and exempt from historical forces that have affected other countries. The theme of exceptionalism is a common target for attacks from liberals and groups that adhere to Democratic [Party] ideologies.
     
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    That's the one I'd think would give us all pause. Pride goeth before the fall... I mean it's great to think we are special for how we managed to arrive at our independence. It's great to be pretty special for having managed to keep our country fairly democratic and in some senses grow that democracy from the views of the country's founders. But in looking back at our laurels we need to keep that pride of specialness in just a glance-back mode, no? Since meanwhile we're moving forward and can't afford to trip over obstacles we may encounter in the present.
     
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    I agree with you. Which is why I mentioned Tuesday's election results as proof that American Exceptionalism is still with us: we're still capable of self-examination and making major changes to keep us Exceptional when we stray off course.
     
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    Although I agree in principle we've gone off course (just in looking at wealth disparity, lack of jobs across a spectrum of required skills etc), it's not clear that Trump, say, dumping some tax revenues from onshoring money at reduced rates, --a one-off thing-- into the economy is going to solve many problems and in fact may exacerbate a soar-and-crash event accompanied by inflation. Sooner or later a president of either party would have recommended it, as the pile of coins offshore is getting too tempting and the clamor for reinvestment here is growing. So the ensuing problems of a one-time cash burn and jolt to the economy would have landed on either party's doorstep, too.

    As a country we need to address our longer term issues of not enough jobs and not enough education for underemployed, unemployed, uneducated citizens looking at an even more technologically enabled --not to say driven?-- future. Those problems seem like they require bipartisan attention, since neither party gets the job done on its "turn" in power, whether by neglect or by pushback from the opposition regarding means and methods. I have no idea how we force representative government to get this job done when they are all so damn focused on getting re-elected. Each of them wants our votes, and after that to remain in power. Picks up phone, dials for dollars...

    Term limits to me are not the answer. We can lose people with depth of understanding on issues that way. Un-gerrymandering seems more like it. How to make state legislatures quit drawing the lines they draw is the good question. No one wants to give up political advantage for the sake of enabling cross-party problem solving. If we could resolve that issue we'd definitely regain some of our fabled exceptionalism..
     
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    Well - we know so many in congress fail to read anything beyond a 1 page brief anyway - it could probably be argued that it doesn't matter if someone has experience or not ;)
     
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    Got to pass it to see what's in it.
     
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    LOL point taken! But the guy who reads the brief and has been there 8 years knows what rule to suggest in order to bury the fricken thing.
     
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    Some times I want to get into fed government to hide laws in mountains of worthless words. Things like "It shall be required for the POTUS to where a horsehead mask during their first State of the Union."
     
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    Given the US is the biggest rich country a #2 ranking isn't that great. I suppose these days China is pretty rich. Maybe it is #1. But the Chinese are notoriously tight so...
     
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    I believe they were basing it on per capita. Myanmar was #1.
     
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    Other end would be funnier, but we might not be that far into SOTU as infotainment yet, you think?
     

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