Republicans finally get their dream populist candidate!

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by PracticalMac, Mar 17, 2016.

  1. PracticalMac macrumors 68030

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    After YEARS of anti-government rhetoric, obstructionist governing, and allowing the likes of Limbugh (and others) to speak at rallies, America finally has an election cycle where not one, but TWO top political candidates motivate record turn out of conservative voters!
    Both their anti-establishment messages of smaller government, individual responsibility, and "only made in America and bomb everyone/everything else" is sure warm their hearts.

    Only neither candidate will play by the Republicans "rules" and fear they will be more of a loose cannon than Obama.

    So now they find themselves between a rock and an Canadian.

    WTG
     
  2. thewitt macrumors 68020

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    For decades the people have been trying to send a message to republicans that they need to be more conservative. The infamous Contract with America should have been a wake up call, when the voters threw out those who failed to fulfill their promises.

    Love it or hate it, they should have the message now.

    Hopefully we will see a President who will rock the party and set it back to its roots - and away from this mushy, no commit, bs that we are living with today.
     
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    The message the GOP got when you said "conservative " was SOCIAL "conservative ". That is the main problem. Republicans are only "fiscal conservatives" when democrats are in charge. The GOP needs to burn :D
     
  4. Desertrat macrumors newbie

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    The RNC types and the RINO Republicans in Congress want to stay among the Elite, in bed with the Banksters and invited to the WashDC social gatherings. They do not have any real interest in the well-being of the just-folks average citizen. Trump is a threat to that "good life", as he represents the Joe Sixpack segment of the public--and is the first to do so since Reagan.

    For all that I doubt that many of Trump's ideas will work, and while I doubt that there's any way he can make America great again, there's at least the possibility that he will listen to his constituency and maybe be affected thereby.

    Regardless, he seems to be less harmful than the rest of the mob.
     
  5. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    Yes, because candidates who represent Joe Sixpack always go on national TV and say American wages are too high.
     
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    Most who represent Joe Sixpack--few though they are--generally would like to see him get pay raises and/or better living conditions.

    That the US worker is "over-paid" compared to many others around the world has had more to do with currency strength than most other factors--including the regulatory costs of doing business. "Adequate" pay, of course, varies with one's local cost of living.
     
  7. vrDrew macrumors 65816

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    You keep telling yourself that.

    In the real world, voters are actually doing nothing of the sort. Significant majorities of people express opinions that are both social and economically far less Conservative than even the mainstream rRepublican candidates seem to espouse.

    Even in Republican primaries people aren't voting for the highly Conservative candidate - Cruz. They are instead picking the odious Trump.
     
  8. Huntn macrumors G5

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    YEAH, 3 cheers for fake populism! Suckers, this way please. :rolleyes:
     
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    PURGE! PURGE! PURGE!
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    Good ol' Yehzov. He would fully support Obama's attacks on Apple, encryption, and the 4th Amendment.
     
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    Would that stop you from voting for someone?
     
  12. thewitt macrumors 68020

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    You need to be paying attention to more than one election cycle to understand this trend.

    The public are voting for Trump in record numbers because they are tired of the BS that the RINOs have been feeding them.

    The anger is aimed directly at those who cave and give in to the socialist agenda.

    The voters are expressing their frustration by going outside the beltway to send a message to those sitting in DC today.
     
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    The fly in the ointment of your theory is that Trump isn't a conservative. He might lean in your direction on a few issues, but your mythical rightist messiah he is not.
     
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    I assume that if by "BS" you mean the thin veneer of racial tolerance espoused by the mainstream GOP you might have a point.

    But lets not kid ourselves, a large fraction of the Trump electorate are the same yahoos that have been dancing to the Republicans racist dog whistles since the 1960s.
     
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    I doubt Trump is as much of an outsider as he paints himself to be. Ditto for Sanders, but he's not the issue rightr now.

    And with everyone lambasting Obama's lack of experience in the past, it's clear people want people who are not outsiders. Unless the GOP who've whined about Obama's lack of experience are now forgetting, which isn't inconceivable...

    Has Trump railed on lobbying, despite his using it in the past? Then how is he an outsider talking about responsibility? Or where do his official words end and misinterpretation and inference begin?
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    Yet he is running AS a conservative, official brand label and all.

    Then again, Bernie is technically independent/third party/whatever and is running as under the label of "Democrat"...

    In either case, neither Trump nor Sanders should be nominates as the head of the Republican or Democratic party respectively.

    But each party, for varying reasons, is probably upset with each of these two guys right now. Even if they share similar opinions as the parties whose nominations they are vying for, that makes no technical difference.
     
  16. MacNut macrumors Core

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    eh?
    Although it is named after republicanism, that concept is no longer widely used. Instead republican ideals have been incorporated into the concept of conservatism, which serves as the ideological core of the party.

    So you would like to go back to the roots? Republicanism?
     
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    Trump's running as a Republican, but don't forget he was a Democrat up until, I think, 2010. Bernie was an independent until this bid for the presidency. But it doesn't matter, because have every right to run under whichever banner they want, and have done just that.

    Though you are right about either party being too thrilled with their dark horses. Sanders got in the way of Hillary's sure fire thing, and isn't friendly to Wall Street like most of the party is. Trump? He doesn't represent their core values in the least, leaning in policy more towards the RINOs they loath if you take away all the demagoguery and Mexican wall BS.

    For good and ill, it's been one of the most interesting primaries we've had in decades.
     
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    Maybe some of you can weigh in (especially @thewitt & @Desertrat)—who, in your opinion, was the last true conservative Republican president? And most importantly, why?
     
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    Maybe the GOP has completely misread the electorate. Maybe people (especially in red states) have figured out that smaller government really means cutting services they need - like water that's not poison (I'm looking at you Flint).

    Brownback and Jindal cut taxes for the rich and blew huuuge holes in the budget, causing more cuts to things like schools, fixing roads, and countless other things that the govt is SUPPOSED to do with your tax $$$. They also block things like minimum wage hikes that actually put more money in the pockets of working people. Can you wrap your head around what would happen to this country if the Jindal or Brownback economic model went national? The national debt would explode.

    Smaller government only appeals to people who don't really understand what it means to them. It means laying off government employees, and getting rid of agencies that protect the public from air, water, and land pollution.

    Deregulation only applies to big polluters and bankers that want to rip off the public (see crash of 2008 - created by deregulation)

    Bernie Sanders nailed it http://www.sanders.senate.gov/koch-brothers

    Republicans in DC ignore their constituents who don't want everything blocked. They want govt to work for them. That's why they're turning to Trump - they're desperate.
     
  20. jerwin macrumors 65816

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    Whoa, whoa, WHOA! You're not one of them STATISTS, are you? Because statism leads to the worst evils imaginable.
     
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    Presumably Trump's newest crop of fans does not realize that he kinda sorta almost ran for President before, in 2000 when he was on some primary ballots of the so-called Reform Party. He actually won California and Michigan before he quit, dropping a quotable quote that the Times picked up:

    "So the Reform Party now includes a Klansman, Mr. Duke, a neo-Nazi, Mr. Buchanan, and a communist, Ms. Fulani. This is not company I wish to keep."

    Interesting that in 2000 he knew who Duke was, and then managed to forget until he was "reminded" in 2016. Anyway I suppose he could still claim he's an outsider, since the people he was scrimmaging with that year were at least more or less beyond the pale if not actual outsiders as well.
     
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    Statists? What the heck is that supposed to mean? The only ones trying to force control over economic and social issues are republicans.

    Govt is supposed to work for all the people. We elect them to be OUR REPRESENTATIVES. Not do what their donors tell them and ignore the electorate.
     
  23. Snoopy4 macrumors 6502a

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    Me thinks you're not completely familiar with all the facts on the Flint water problem.
     
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    That it's all the Democrats fault?
     
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    Who's the mayor and who made the decision to switch sources? Who's responsible for the local infrastructure? Who was stupid enough to start a water war?

    You get what you vote for.
     

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