Republicans: Follow the party or else...

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  1. PlaceofDis macrumors Core

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    yeah, so its not the title of the article but thats basically what's being said here.

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    this is why nothing ever gets done. this is what is wrong with american politics on so many levels.
     
  2. Aea macrumors 6502a

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    They've got a catch 22.

    They can either embrace the flawed ideas held by those with the greatest influence and stay cohesive as a party in the short term while becoming irrelevant in the long.

    or

    They can embrace new ideas which will in the short term will weaken their party but ultimately strengthen them in the long term. But if they're weakened now making up the ground will be difficult.

    Of course, the GOP and long term thinking, who are we kidding?
     
  3. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    Apparently the radical wing of the party is going for all the marbles. They want all the moderates out.

    That's a double-edged sword. If people like Snowe, Collins and Specter find themselves successfully challenged by far-right radicals in the next primaries, we could very well find that:

    • with no one but hard-liners on the opposite side of the aisle, Obama's hope of bipartisanship is finished, gone, kaput;
    • if the GOP should ever gain control of one house of Congress, we will be gridlocked;
    • if the GOP, God forbid, should ever win back both houses of Congress, we could see our government go totally off the rails, wherein fixing the economy will take a distant back seat to things of more importance to them, like anti-immigration and anti-gay marriage issues;
    • the party will delve even further into failure, ensuring that in a decade or so they will be right back where they are now: searching for an identity.
    That's a worst-case scenario. The best scenario is that instead of Snowe, Collins and Specter, they run nutcases, the nutcases lose to Democrats, and the Dems further increase their hold on Congress.

    Either way, they're slitting their own throats.
     
  4. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    Any one surprised? No? Thought so...

    What they can't understand is that the world is becoming more open minded overall, so the GOP in its current form and philosophies days are numbered.
     
  5. Counterfit macrumors G3

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    Right, completely ignore the how much money worth of tax cuts?
     
  6. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    The GOP isnt going to say jack **** about the tax cuts THEY put in, then voted against.

    If it works, they can take credit for the cuts, if the plan fails, well hey, they didnt vote for it or support it any way.

    They have always been masters of the spin.
     
  7. gibbz macrumors 68030

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    I guess the Republicans should definitely continue to fall into line.
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    It has certainly proven a successful strategy to not think for one's self, but to rather blindly follow a party based on fear of retribution. Just look at this past election.:rolleyes:
     
  8. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    What, the BillyClub for Growth has competition now? :p

    That's it guys! The solution to your electoral problems is to keep doing exactly what you've been doing for the last 30 years, only faster!


    Seriously... Obama won Pennsylvania by what, 10 points? If an off-the-charts wingnut chases Spectre from the GOP nomination, and the Democrats don't nominate a complete chump (I'm looking at you, Chris Matthews...) it'll be a lean-Democratic race for sure.

    And Maine? That was like a 20 point win for Obama! Snowe and Collins only remain in their seats because they don't follow strict GOP doctrine. If someone without their reputation as mavericks tries to run from the right, they'll lose too (again, with the caveat that the Democrats don't pick some Joe the Plumber wannabe loser, of course).
     
  9. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    Be kind of intriguing if, instead of Specter, Collins and Snowe, the Republicans did nominate wingnuts...and Specter, Collins and Snowe ran anyway, as independents. That would make for some interesting races. Given their incumbency and longevity, I think they'd stand a good chance of winning.

    BTW, nobody on the Republican side should ever say that they're putting someone "on notice". It's way too...Colbert-ish. :D
     
  10. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    Didn't Collins just win reelection? And Snowe isn't up until 2012, IIRC. The only one in immediate danger is Specter.
     
  11. freeny macrumors 68020

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    This only goes to prove that the GOP is party first. But really, we all knew that already ;)

    Kinda Nazi-ish...
    Yeah, I said it.
     
  12. iJohnHenry macrumors P6

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    And they should not be surprised, given that they effectively snubbed their noses at the one chosen by the electorate.

    This is what the party whip is for. It's in the job description.

    God, I hope they pay more, "cause he's gonna earn it!!". (John Wayne - "Rio Bravo") :p
     
  13. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    Thank God there is ONE political party that doesn't do this crap! Thank goodness only one of them iscorrupt and pressure their members to vote a certain way.

    Thank God for the Democratic Party!!!


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  14. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Oh please. :rolleyes: Seriously. When's the last time you saw this kind of threat leveled by Democrats against their own party memebers? This is insane.
     
  15. iAthena macrumors regular

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    If we're lucky, the Republicans will prevent these bills in their current form from being passed. We've always assumed that Snowe and now Collins would vote the way they did, but Spector better figure out where he's standing soon or he'll be out in the midterm elections.
     
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    Yeah, look at what the Dems did to Lieberman after not towing the party line... oh, wait...:rolleyes:
     
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    Lieberman isn't a democrat.
     
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    Exactly- that guy thumbed his nose at the party after he lost the nomination. That guy's an a**wipe. He deserved what he got. He acts like a spoiled baby.
     
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    You do realize why he has an I next to his name rather than a D, right?

    He's a dem and caucuses with them in all things but the war.
     
  20. atszyman macrumors 68020

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    Even worse, they can't punish those who aren't in their party...

    In the current setting they won't get the magic 60 so courting/not punishing Lieberman, just shows how spineless they actually are. He campaigned for the other guy after Obama helped him keep his Senate seat.

    The guy should be a pariah, instead he got to keep a powerful committee chair.
     
  21. leekohler macrumors G5

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    He's not a Democrat. He's an independent who p***ed, moaned and cried when he lost his nomination. Then he left the party to run as an independent. Mind you, the people voted him out of the nomination. The party didn't vote him out.
     
  22. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    :rolleyes: This is an excellent thread!
    I haven't laughed this hard in years. :D

    The Republicans see what they want to see, and the Democrats see what they want to see. It's always the other side that is evil, and there's always an excuse for their own misdeeds.

    Humorous at best. Hypocritical blind rage in attempt to negatively label members of a particular political party at worst.

    The problem here is the two-party political system. Obviously it isn't with the Republicans alone. Those of us who choose to ignore our own party's misdeeds in this area are simply perpetuating the broken system and turning a blind eye to the real problem.



    That being said...
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  23. PlaceofDis thread starter macrumors Core

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    who here has blind rage? i'm not seeing any of that. yes the two party system is flawed and this just further illustrates that point. anyone who puts party over country is not representing the people accurately but rather only blindly following orders from their party to keep their job.

    that said, i have never heard such a thing happening to democrats who went against their party. but thats usually because the democrats have no backbone to stand up for themselves.
     
  24. atszyman macrumors 68020

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    I don't necessarily see anyone here defending the Democrats. In fact it would actually go a long way towards a third party if they could get their act together and act in a cohesive manner like the GOP. But the Dems have in the past been very poor at ruling with an iron fist and often cannot get the party to vote in a cohesive block on contentious legislation. It's the reason I fear the "filibuster proof" majority as less of an issue with the Dems than with the GOP.

    Both parties suck, I just see the dems (as a legislative troop) as sucking slightly less due to their own inability to work together.
     
  25. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    Well, we can certainly agree on that point!!!

    What I find humorous is how quick people are to attack the Republicans while at the same time defending the almighty Democrats... while elsewhere on Republican forums people are so quick to attack the Democrats while defending the almighty Republicans.

    It's laughable. Both parties manipulate the votes of individual members to create a unified front, and defund politicians who don't 'play ball'. The longer the partisans pretend like only one party is guilty of such things... the longer it will take to fix the broken two-party system. That's all.
     

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